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January 20, 2006

Angel (Investors) in America

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Posted by Dana Blankenhorn

NOTE: I'm promoting this to the top today because of its comment thread.

When I first interviewed Richard Wingard back in September, I thought little of it. He seemed to have a clever way to research basic research, using individual investors. He promised new technology enabling video compression on cellular and dial-up lines. Cute.

Then some of Wingard's investors started commenting here. The number of comments grew and grew. They've turned this comment thread into their own little clubhouse, swapping takes and rumors on the company's promised sale, which in the interview Wingard said would happen some time this year.

Interesting. Enjoy the thread, and if you're part of it, thanks for visiting. We do other stories.


angel_investor.gifRichard Wingard has figured out a way to fund cutting-edge technology with angel investors, and hold them in their investments for nearly 7 years. (The picture is courtesy the University of New Hampshire alumni association.)

Wingard runs Euclid Discoveries, which is working on an object-based video compression technology he says will deliver 10 times the performance of MPEG-4, enough to "turn your iPod into a DVD player."

And he's done it all with angel investors, who are best-known for backing only early-stage customers. Wingard has rejected the entreaties of venture capital firms, saying their time frames for pay-outs are too short. Yet he has succeeded in getting angels who will wait as much as 7 years for a private auction of his technology, and a distribution.

Want to know how he did it?

  1. Communication -- Both Wingard and his partner spend an incredible amount of time communicatiing with, and preparing communication for, the investors.
  2. Validation -- Wingard hired Charles River Associates (now known as CRA International) to validate his claims, and value his claims, before asking for new investments and higher valuations.
  3. Patents -- Wingard aggressively sought patents for his technology and now claims valid patents on video compression techniques he's using dated as early as 2004.
  4. Exit Strategy -- Wingard has been clear with his investors from the beginning on exactly how and when they will get their money out, through a private auction of the technology, when it is ready for commercial deployment.

"There are more angels out there than in the past 5 years," he concludes. "We’ve now got a very good model, about getting investors, about maintaining them through the long haul of R&D."

This may be how U.S. R&D gets done in the future, so give Richard Wingard a hand.

Comments (423) + TrackBacks (1) | Category: Business Models | Consumer Electronics | Investment | Moore's Lore | computer interfaces


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1. Steven Leach on September 9, 2005 03:06 PM writes...

Understand Microsoft is purchasing euclids technology.

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2. Jim Turner on September 12, 2005 10:38 AM writes...

Having followed Euclid for several years, this is the first I have heard of a sale. What is your source for this statement?

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3. J SCHWAN on September 12, 2005 02:03 PM writes...

WHO SAID THAT MICROSOFT BOUGHT EUCLID DISCOVERIES? LOTS OF RUMORS GOING ARROUND!!!!!!

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4. Ed Wood on September 15, 2005 12:15 PM writes...

I understand that you are under the impression that Euclid Technologies will not be ready for the "auction" until early next year. I'm curious to why you hold that postion.

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5. Ewood on September 15, 2005 04:28 PM writes...

Mr. Blankenhorn thank you for your prompt reply to my inquiry.

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6. Steve Shapiro on September 15, 2005 08:10 PM writes...

I don't think anyone knows when Euclid will sell or to whom.

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7. Steve Shapiro on September 15, 2005 08:15 PM writes...

I don't think anyone knows when Euclid will sell or to whom.

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8. TGarp on September 15, 2005 09:14 PM writes...

If they even have anything to sell at all...

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9. eddie masterson on September 19, 2005 09:51 AM writes...

what is euclid Technologies worth, can it do what they say, make i pods store 1000 dvd on one unit...............ecc.ecc...... thanks bruce rogers

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10. VICTORIA CLARK on September 19, 2005 04:59 PM writes...

Euclid IS going to happen, and it IS going to be big! Wahooo!

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11. Steve Shapiro on September 20, 2005 04:51 PM writes...

I wonder where Ms. Clark gets her information.

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12. VICTORIA CLARK on September 21, 2005 07:38 AM writes...

Anything Bobby Werner accomplishes is a success. It is a long process for an invention of this magnitude but is is going to be worth the wait.
(personal opinion)

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13. CMoore on October 24, 2005 04:00 PM writes...

How many people have been tracking Euclid? I thought I was the only one because I have a certain interest on when it is selling...

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14. NHall on November 21, 2005 11:45 AM writes...

CMoore....are you one of the angels? What's the lastest on the proposed sale date?

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15. TeddyK on November 28, 2005 11:18 PM writes...

Is it still 1000dvds on 1 dvd compression ratio or have they since changed that claim?

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16. Dewman on December 6, 2005 09:37 AM writes...

Sale date around the middle of January 06

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17. ANGEL on December 9, 2005 04:10 PM writes...

Do you know the "BARTENDER"?

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18. ANGEL on December 9, 2005 04:11 PM writes...

Do you know the "BARTENDER"?

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19. DaDa on December 14, 2005 10:40 AM writes...

How reliable is your information, Dewman?

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20. Tiny Angel on December 15, 2005 12:16 PM writes...

Dewman, That's crap, they are hoping to show the IP (intellectual property) to targeted companies who may be interested. They are going to have to make a bid, just to be involved before they see the actual technology. It will rule out those who cannot afford to be in the game. That may happen in January. Hope it will be sold sometime in 2006.

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21. tiny angel on December 15, 2005 12:23 PM writes...

Just posted a great web cast by Mr. Werner. If site does not show up on this message I will repost in next message and you will have to cut and paste

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22. tiny angel on December 15, 2005 12:26 PM writes...

http://radio.weblogs.com/0144216/2005/10/19.html

Go to this site and click on the speaker, for some good info on Euclid

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23. Angel 2 on December 15, 2005 03:56 PM writes...

To Tiny Angel, That interview with Bob was very interesting. Even though it has been a long road, it is going to be worth it. All angels should go to that web site.

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24. dewman on December 18, 2005 09:12 PM writes...

We had a meeting in the middle of Nov. They layed it out for us. Hopefully by the end of Dec. they will have the bank pecured.
Then like Tiny Angel said they will show the IP to interested parties. Hope by the middle to end of Jan. it will go out for sale. In early Feb. they will have the auction. After auction the buyer has (1) month to pay. Then it has to set in a bank for (1) month to save us 2.5% California tax. Hope by April we will be paid. We will see.

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25. Tiny angel on December 19, 2005 06:32 PM writes...

Another article on Euclid

www.law.com/jsp/ltn/pubArticleLTN.jsp?id=1133517916906&rss=ltn

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26. angel2 on December 23, 2005 09:50 PM writes...

Dewman, Where was the meeting at in Nov.?

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27. Angel2 on December 23, 2005 09:56 PM writes...

Tiny angel, That was another good article. Do you know where anymore are?

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28. AZAngel on December 24, 2005 09:31 AM writes...

I also would like to know where that meeting took place.

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29. Jimmy T on December 27, 2005 02:15 PM writes...

FYI - Euclid recently filed their 15th Patent Application. Visit The Data Compression News Blog at: http://www.c10n.info/archives/289

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30. tiny Angel on December 28, 2005 12:50 PM writes...

Here is a minor mention of Richard Wingard and Euclid. Not much new but we are all hungry for every little hint of what is to come


http://www.businessweek.com/smallbiz/content/dec2005/sb20051216_023190.htm

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31. Tiny Angel on December 28, 2005 04:38 PM writes...

Any of you guys get the "Globe"? If you did, you will know what I am talking about.

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32. dada on December 30, 2005 02:16 PM writes...

Tiny Angel, why don't you just tell us what you're talking about? Tell us what's in the globe.

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33. Tiny Angel on December 31, 2005 08:53 AM writes...

Sorry dada, glass globe from Euclid as a Christmas present. Not sure if all Angels got them or not. Maybe I was just one of the lucky ones. Was trying to determine if any of the other posters on this blog are really angels.

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34. Anonymous on December 31, 2005 02:52 PM writes...

ANGEL WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE,tiny angel?

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35. ANGEL on December 31, 2005 02:55 PM writes...

did you get the COOKIE JAR TOO AND THE CAP.

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36. AZAngel on December 31, 2005 06:45 PM writes...

Tiny I got the "Globe" but it certainly did not make the picture any clearer for me. Did you attend the November meeting Dewman referenced?

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37. TinyAngel on January 1, 2006 10:45 AM writes...

I know who I am, I am an investor in Euclid. I am just trying to get some sort of dialogue going on this site with others who have an interest. I am sorry that offended you, anybody posting as anonymous, doesn't count for much in my world. Geez a couple of touchey people on this blog,

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38. TineyAngel on January 1, 2006 11:07 AM writes...

AZ I did not attend the meeting Dewman talked about. However I am tight with but not part of the top guns of this company. From what I have seen and what I know, they have everything they say they have and more. They have stratospheric valuations and a clear and concise exit strategy. They are ready to go to sale or auction now. The only question is will they get the price they think they are worth. If they do there are going to be alot of very rich angels and you can take that to the bank.

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39. TinyAngel on January 1, 2006 11:37 AM writes...

One more comment, I gave one of my kids the Apple Video Ipod for Christmas, she told me it took 43 minutes to download one episode of Desperate Housewives and it cost $2. Euclid will allow that to happen in seconds, on an existing MP4 format player. Tell me what just that one function alone is worth?

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40. TinyAngel on January 1, 2006 12:04 PM writes...

By the way Angel, you bring alot to the table. I don't give a crap about your snide remarks. I don't know the "BARTENDER", and I did not get a "COOKIE JAR" or a "CAP". Thanks for the significant input. You give yourself away as you are the only one on the board who types in caps.

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41. Steve Shapiro on January 1, 2006 01:54 PM writes...

Let's hope the deal gets done early in 06 so that we can all have a happy new year. The globe was a neat idea and I hope the whole world will know about the big E.

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42. AZAngel on January 1, 2006 01:56 PM writes...

Tiny, I also am an angel with Euclid and have been since the beginning. I did get the CAP(5 yrs ago) and the COOKIE JAR(last yr). Like you, I would love to have a dialog with others in my position. As I have read the latest postings, this site, Werner's ICast, and others, they talk about communications with their investors being a top priority? R Wingard used to put out the "CEO Link", but that has stopped. When I need an update, I call Richard and get "the lastest". I'm getting more excited as things seem to be coming to an end. You indicate that you are "tight" with the top guns; I'd like to talk to you off line if possible. Can we make that happen?

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43. TinyAngel on January 1, 2006 03:13 PM writes...

AZ,

I got a coffee cake last year, and a golf shirt with Euclid logo, must have run out of cookie jars. I have bought in at different times, did not get in at beginning, was invited but too conservative at the time. Course cost me more each time. Send me your E-mail address or phone # at Eucliddis@aol.com. Just a name I set up to keep us anonymous. Sorry Angel maybe I insulted you when I should not have. I apologize. I hope we are all here for the same reason.

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44. jj on January 2, 2006 07:47 PM writes...

I am an investor in euclid and I have had my dought's for a while but I believe that January will be big.

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45. ANGEL on January 3, 2006 05:50 PM writes...

TinyAngel I apologize to you,but after 6 years of rumors i did't know if you was for real.I did't get a globe so i did't know what you was talking about.I HOPE we can talk about EUCLID a little better.I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT.

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46. Tiiny Angel on January 3, 2006 06:00 PM writes...

Thanks, Angel, I think we are near the end of a long wait. Let us hope they have what they say they have and somebody is going to pay us what they think it is worth. It will be a great 2006 for all angels great and small. As Clarence said " everytime a bill rings an angel gets his wings". Lets hope we get the ching,ching, ring, ring of a big time cash register. All the best,

TA

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47. Comp.Guy on January 6, 2006 04:21 PM writes...

Very interesting topic. When is the exact date of the 'auction'? How come this compression company doesn't have an exact date for it? Is their technology even complete or are they just selling what they have so far in compression theory? Thank you.

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48. Steve Shapiro on January 6, 2006 04:45 PM writes...

If they are ever going to sell, this is the best time. All of the biggies are promoting video content on everything...but, no one talks about the time it takes to download. If Euclid can do it fast, they couldn't have picked a better time to show it and sell it.

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49. AZAngel on January 14, 2006 12:36 PM writes...

What happened to the postings(9)yesterday? KYangel, Hopefulangel, and Tinyangel?

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50. tiny angel on January 14, 2006 06:51 PM writes...

No idea, can't imagine there was censorship, I don't think anything was amiss

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51. Tiny angel on January 14, 2006 07:12 PM writes...

I wrote a e-mail requesting information as to the reason for the missing messages. Will post answer if I receive one.

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52. Littlest Angel on January 16, 2006 11:05 PM writes...

Does anybody know if Euclid has actually begun the sales process? The so-called "keeping investors informed" is a crock! We haven't gotten any real news about our investment in over a year! I'd just like to have a truthful and convincing communication from Richard and Bob instead of smoke and mirrors!

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53. AZAngel on January 17, 2006 10:14 AM writes...

Littlest Angel, I too am a pretty small player with Euclid and share your frustration relative to communications from the company. Maybe the investment needs to be in the six figures before R or B will talk with you. It's been six long years now and there certainly seems to be a perfect storm brewing relative to the opportunity to finally sell the technology. All the talk lately is about the "communication" with investors that has allowed them to keep their angels at bay for such a long time. I agree, what communication? If we have what they say we have, the opportune window is now and will quickly close as others will jump on the opportunity and come to market with their own solution. Oh well!

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54. Littlest Angel on January 17, 2006 12:52 PM writes...

AZ Angel, thanks for your remarks. I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who thinks the small investors are totally out of the loop. And, my phone calls to either R or B have resulted in outright "tall tales" (I hesitate to say lies, but on two different occasions B told me they were ready and would begin the sale in a few days.....) And the mail-out for voting to keep them as CEO and Pres was another slap in the face. Apparently somewhere and with some investors they actually had a meeting!

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55. Kyblue on January 17, 2006 01:22 PM writes...

Don't hold your breath if your relying on B's word. He hasn't told the truth yet. They don't have anything or we would have heard by now. Even the dumbest of businessmen couldn't pass up this atmosphere to sell in. I'm afraid we all have been dealt a rotten hand.

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56. Littlest Angle on January 17, 2006 02:44 PM writes...

Kyblue, you really know how to burst a bubble pretty quickly. Do you this B's interview with the radio talk show guy was just a bunch of malarky or is there anything to sell? I hope we haven't been duped, but I've thought for the past two years that they'd come through soon and haven't. It's pretty discouraging to think that we've all been duped by these two.

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57. Littlest Angle on January 17, 2006 02:45 PM writes...

Kyblue, you really know how to burst a bubble pretty quickly. Do you think B's interview with the radio talk show guy was just a bunch of malarky or is there anything to sell? I hope we haven't been duped, but I've thought for the past two years that they'd come through soon and haven't. It's pretty discouraging to think that we've all been fooled by these two.

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58. kyblue on January 17, 2006 03:49 PM writes...

I'm sorry to bust your bubble. I represent a group with waaaay more than six figures involved and so far he hasn't told us one thing that has come true or at least that we can verify. We have been told that we are looking for an investment banker for months now. They aren't hard to find!

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59. Littlest Angle on January 17, 2006 04:56 PM writes...

Kyblue, I was told that they were looking for an investment banker in March of 2003! I think B's good ol' boy approach is wearing a little thin and I'm not sure about R......he's still a mystery, but I thought he was a little more trustworthy than B.

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60. Tiny Angel on January 17, 2006 05:25 PM writes...

Guy, I think you underestimate the staggering amount of work that goes into groundbreaking technology. The last thing we want is for some big company to steal the product and keep us tied up in court for the next 10 yrs as we fight over Intellectual property and who owns it. They are still getting patents to protect against that. I don't think it is about getting a bank, it is about being able to prove and protect the product. From what I know, nobody is close to having anything close to what Euclid says they have. I am sure it is not easy to design, build and sell a product for billions of dollars. That is why it is high risk and high reward. If it was easy Microsoft would have built it by now.

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61. Tiny Angel on January 17, 2006 05:25 PM writes...

Guy, I think you underestimate the staggering amount of work that goes into groundbreaking technology. The last thing we want is for some big company to steal the product and keep us tied up in court for the next 10 yrs as we fight over Intellectual property and who owns it. They are still getting patents to protect against that. I don't think it is about getting a bank, it is about being able to prove and protect the product. From what I know, nobody is close to having anything close to what Euclid says they have. I am sure it is not easy to design, build and sell a product for billions of dollars. That is why it is high risk and high reward. If it was easy Microsoft would have built it by now.

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62. Tiny Angel on January 17, 2006 05:27 PM writes...

Any of you non believers want to dump any of your units at a discount, I could use a few more.

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63. Littlest Angel on January 17, 2006 05:50 PM writes...

Tiny Angel, It isn't that we're non-believers, we'd just like to have Richard and Bob tell us what's going on rather than give us false hopes or erroneous statements. I think the gripe from a lot of us is that we have not been kept informed about what is going on and when we have inquired they've fabricated stories to justify the delays rather than just tell us the truth. I appreciate the amount of work that goes into the technology and have appreciated it for 6 years, but would like to know that they are at least close to having a product to sell. They tout the product on a radio show and in interviews but say nothing about this to their investors. We'd just like to be kept informed.

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64. tiny angel on January 17, 2006 06:09 PM writes...

Amen to that!

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65. AZ on January 17, 2006 07:49 PM writes...

Wow! A lot of points of view! While communication with the investors has been weak at best, I do still believe they have something. Technology of this magnitude is bound to have some bumps in the road. The times that I've spoken to R, he has always been cautious relative to his comments and promises, apparently R differs from B. Anyway, I think we'll all know whether this thing has legs in a few short months. I'm still a cautious believer, hopefully not ignorantly! Comments that we are starting to get is the product of lack of information and not necesarily fact.

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66. AZAngel on January 17, 2006 08:20 PM writes...

I'm with Tiny! If anyone has units they want to sell, let me know. I'll take them!

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67. Sherwoodlikemoney on January 17, 2006 08:38 PM writes...

Do you suppose R and B read any of this stuff?
We need the CEO links that were promised. Whether we have a small investment or large one, we still need to be kept up to date on the process and progress of this sale.

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68. Hopeful Angel on January 17, 2006 09:29 PM writes...

I agree we need the CEO links. I don't know if R and B read this or not but somehow they should be made aware that their investors are restless. They may think we're all angels, but I imagine if we all discovered we've been duped we could turn into devils overnight! I think it would be in their best interest to keep their investors informed at every step right now. Even if they don't read these blogs, their potential buyers might and may just wonder what kind of company they're being wooed to buy and if they really have what they say they have!

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69. Littlest Angel on January 17, 2006 10:27 PM writes...

After reading the Business Week article quoting Richard, I wish I was a milk farmer in Georgia -- apparently Wingard likes him enough to fly to Atlanta, rent a car and "yuck it up with him..."
Gosh, wish he'd yuck it up with me and let me know when he's going to sell the technology he promises will change the MPEG industry forever.

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70. tiny angel on January 17, 2006 10:36 PM writes...

All we have to do is paste this link in an E mail to info@eucliddiscoveries.com

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71. Hopeful Angel on January 17, 2006 11:22 PM writes...

You'd think the high-priced PR agency and the other "advisors" who are on the payroll would monitor the internet and keep their Euclid clients abreast of any negative feedback. If the PR agency was worth its price, they'd advise those guys to keep their angel investors happy. A tacky crystal globe with a computer chip inside certainly doesn't take the place of reliable information to those who are paying their salaries.

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72. Hopeful Angel on January 17, 2006 11:25 PM writes...

By the way, guess who directed me to this blog? My stockbroker and my accountant!!!! Both are aware of my investment and both are extremely skeptical of the investment I've made. I'm hoping to be able to laugh all the way to the bank, but frankly after reading this blog, I'm more than a little concerned that I've been the victim of a huge con!

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73. tiny angel on January 17, 2006 11:54 PM writes...

You have a couple of guys on this blog, ready and willing to buy your units if you really think you have been conned. Just give us the word and we will be happy to refund your purchase price. If you guys are that sure you are being screwed put your money where you mouth is. I will, post 43 will tell you how to get hold of me, and I have others in line who would love to take a shot at this.

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74. Hopeful Angel on January 18, 2006 12:36 AM writes...

IF I wanted to sell my shares, I wouldn't consider selling them for less than the last offering price of $7500 per share. If you're willing to pay that, then I MIGHT be interested.

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75. tiny angel on January 18, 2006 08:33 AM writes...

Let's talk, E-mail me at Eucliddis@aol.com

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76. Sherwoodlikemoney on January 18, 2006 08:50 AM writes...

Hey Dewman!
It's the middle of January - what do you know?
(Reference #16)

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77. Dewman on January 18, 2006 09:04 AM writes...

I'm here, I beleive we will hear something so. I could use some more share also. Thanks

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78. dewman on January 18, 2006 09:05 AM writes...

soon

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79. Tiny angel on January 18, 2006 10:17 AM writes...

This is great, at least we are getting an active blog and the more the merrier. Jump on board guys everybody is welcome. If they won't give us info we can band together and pool our collective knowledge.

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80. Hopeful Angel on January 18, 2006 10:41 AM writes...

A reliable source says the sale is imminent! My source is in daily contact with R and B so he should know what he's talking about. If they're telling him the truth, then the sales process has actually begun.

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81. long timer on January 18, 2006 10:52 AM writes...

any appts. scheduled yet ??

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82. Hopeful Angel on January 18, 2006 11:25 AM writes...

Supposedly Bob is in New York getting media training from the PR firm so he'll know how to talk to the press. Maybe they'll emphasize being truthful!!!!!

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83. KY Girl on January 18, 2006 11:29 AM writes...

March!!!!!!!!! Any skeptics out there want to sell their units?

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84. long timer on January 18, 2006 11:32 AM writes...

thought he was talking to the banks ... again...started talking to banks in 2004 ...lol...
I think he already knows how to talk to the press

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85. KY Girl on January 18, 2006 11:33 AM writes...

March!!!!!!!!! Any skeptics out there want to sell their units?

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86. long timer on January 18, 2006 11:35 AM writes...

not supposed to be able to sell them to others. ... supposed to offer them back to the co. or LLC.
nows the wrong time to be selling at any price ... I would buy as many as possible if offered

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87. long timer on January 18, 2006 11:40 AM writes...

what happens in march ?

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88. tiny angel on January 18, 2006 12:19 PM writes...

Hopeful, geez talk about changing your tune. Yesterday we were being the victims of a huge con, and you were willing to sell your units for 7.5K. Now the sale is imminent. I would not count on that. I think they are working to that end, but I am not sure they are close. I don't think the LLC can sell, but not so sure about individual investors. Will have to read offering.

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89. tiny angel on January 18, 2006 12:28 PM writes...

This is a message that Jimmy T posted on another site, I took the liberty of posting it on this site, as it is informative. I hope he doesn't mind or if he also monitors this site I hope you are OK with this.
Considering some of the most recent postings and concerns, perhaps the following need to be considered:

1. On December 21, 2005 Euclid filed their 15th patent application: http://www.c10n.info/archives/289#comments
You don’t attempt to bring a product to market until you are sure your product is secure.

2. As you will note from Euclid’s web site they have two of the top-rated law firms in the country for patent filing and litigation, and CRA International, a world wide consulting organization in the economic ($) evaluation and marketing of intellectual properties. Click on their respective logos.

3. While B & R may have had the best intentions with the information at hand at any given time, I think we can all agree that once the attorneys get involved time slows down.

4. In any company there is always a requirement for a quiet period leading up to the end.

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90. long timer on January 18, 2006 01:15 PM writes...

tiny, call me. b

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91. long timer on January 18, 2006 01:30 PM writes...

just missed your call ... please try again ... any time B

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92. tiny angel on January 18, 2006 02:45 PM writes...

Business week article

http://www.businessweek.com/smallbiz/content/dec2005/sb20051216_023190.htm

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93. georgiapeachangel on January 18, 2006 02:49 PM writes...

Hey, I'm new to the blog, but I did just confirm via a phone call to Liz Marmion, the marketing person for Euclid (who is also Richard's stepdaughter) that Bob is in New York training for PR and media presentations. So, is that a positive move or not?

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94. hopeful angel on January 18, 2006 02:57 PM writes...

I think there's more than one of us using Hopeful Angel, so I'm changing mine to 1999Angel! But I'm still hopeful!!!!! I'm the one who said a source said Bob was in NY and I've talked to him again today and he says things are beginning to move....whatever that means....no appointments yet as far as he knows.

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95. tiny angel on January 18, 2006 02:59 PM writes...

Sounds positve to me, you don't do that to keep the angels happy. I expect they feel they will have to field a barrage of media attenion when this thing really gets rocking! Good for them.

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96. mr patience on January 18, 2006 03:42 PM writes...

all of you are babies.quit whining. it is an investment not a guarantee, go buy a cd if you want a guarantee. my advice is to sit down, shut up and be patient.

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97. Angel2 on January 18, 2006 03:55 PM writes...

tiny angel, I guess I will be the sacrificial lamb, is "B" Bob W? If so what did he tell you when you called him, if you do not mind telling us?

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98. kyangel on January 18, 2006 03:59 PM writes...

I told you it was going to happen, and going to be big.

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99. OtherAngel on January 18, 2006 04:12 PM writes...

Is there ANYONE here who knows what is REALLY happening ..... taking into account all the false alarms amd crap spread around by those who should know better?

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100. KY Girl on January 18, 2006 04:16 PM writes...

Been in on this from the beginning...March...What do you think he's doing PR training for? I guess you all have not seen the recent article.

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101. 1999Angel on January 18, 2006 04:17 PM writes...

Mr, Patient....I think those of us who have been in this since the beginning have been very patient and at some time or other each of us has had a different story from Bob, so you just keep on being patient. Mine's about to run out!

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102. KY Girl on January 18, 2006 04:17 PM writes...

Been in on this from the beginning...March...What do you think he's doing PR training for? I guess you all have not seen the recent article.

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103. 1999Angel on January 18, 2006 04:19 PM writes...

What recent article are you referring to? I'm not aware of an article.

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104. OtherAngel on January 18, 2006 04:19 PM writes...

KY Girl.....yes I can let you have some for $10,000 per share.....

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105. Sherwoodlikemoney on January 18, 2006 04:26 PM writes...

I would be pleased to know EXACTLY where we are in the sales process.
Can anyone share that information?

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106. World business for sale on January 18, 2006 05:07 PM writes...

I agree with KY
This is a great post!
We would be honored if we could be added to this great blog. We are from the World Business for sale is the leading independent businesses for sale listing service http://www.worldbusinessforsale.com/

Good work keeps it up!

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107. tiny angel on January 18, 2006 05:47 PM writes...

Angel2. That was NOT Bob "W".

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108. georgiapeachangel on January 18, 2006 06:39 PM writes...

Again, I'll ask the question someone else asked earlier. What is supposed to happen in March, Ky girl? Are we supposed to know something or is that when the sale starts or.....what is the significance of March?

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109. clubhouseguy on January 18, 2006 08:13 PM writes...

When this is over, I think people will be able to understand not only the complexity of the Euclid Discoveries achievement, but also the skepticism of the marketplace in which ED is competing. Then I think it will be clear why they've done it the way they have.

And, for the record, not once in 4+ years has B failed to return a call or answer, quite patiently, any and all questions we've had along the way.

I look forward to meeting everyone at the party.

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110. georgiapeachangel on January 18, 2006 10:13 PM writes...

What party? and when is it? Ya'll must know a whole lot more than I know!!!!! Please share your knowledge!!!!

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111. tiny angel on January 18, 2006 10:52 PM writes...

Hey Georgiapeachangel,

These guys are blowing smoke up your ass. I talk to 4 or 5 guys on this blog off line and I am pretty sure we have a real good idea as to what is going on.
1. it is a good product and they are still working on it to make it better and to prove its accuracy.
2. It's probably going to be worth a ton of money,
they have identified the potential buyers and what it's worth to them.
3. They are trying to develop an exit strategy.
4. It's not easy to convince people you have what you say you have.

I am reasonably certain they have not got a firm buyer or a firm closing date at this time. I know for a fact that the guys who know and talk to R and B don't have much more information than that, so I am not sure how some of the statements thrown around on this site can be accurate.
I would not count on an imminent sale, or any date thrown around either. I am not saying it won't happen I am just sure it is not a done deal yet

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112. georgiapeachangel on January 19, 2006 12:27 AM writes...

Tiny Angel, Thanks for taking the time to answer some questions for me. I appreciate your candor and also your not trying to sugarcoat anything. I am just hoping that this will happen in 2006! I'm afraid if they wait much longer than that somebody else is going to beat them to the punch.

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113. Comp.Guy on January 19, 2006 01:51 AM writes...

Georgiapeachangel has said something very important that no one else has addressed. There are many companies working on the exact same thing. So many companies have also said they could revolutionize the digital compression and failed to produce. At least companies are trying to improve it. Good luck to all you angels. Very interesting posts all around.

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114. KY Girl on January 19, 2006 08:36 AM writes...

Our biggest concern is another company rolling out a product better and faster than ours. There are many out there trying to surpass what Euclid has to offer. I know we have all been shot a lot of dates that have failed to produce. Sources at the top are adamant March/April--this will be date that we have all been hoping for! I look forward to meeting everyone at the after party, at that time none of us will be bothered by the time it took to get here.

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115. tiny angel on January 19, 2006 09:37 AM writes...

I think this is going to be my last post for awhile. Unless of course I cannot help myself. I do not believe we need to worry about another company coming out with something better at this time. The technology they are using is based on a new math construct and they are pretty sure no one else is doing anything comparable. They know who the top math guys are in the country and what they are working on. They have the best available and it has taken 6+ years. It is designed to integrate seemlessly within MPEG-4. An analogy; an invention of a new operating system that is multiple orders of magnitude superior than windows but would run on a PC. Or a new fuel that would let you run your car ten times further per gallon. The beautiful thing is everybody else is working on the engine, we have a new fuel that works on the existing platform. Obviously someone could come out of the bushes and blindside us but I thing that unlikely at this time.

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116. long timer on January 19, 2006 10:01 AM writes...

great response Tiny

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117. buyer on January 19, 2006 02:49 PM writes...

Would like to buy 1 unit. Let me know.

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118. OtherAngel on January 19, 2006 03:47 PM writes...

The problem is that when you hear so many lies it is difficult to know what is the truth. And we have had lies by the ton!!!. Personally, I would welcome it happening (who would not) but when the check is in my hand then I will believe, and certainly not before that.

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119. long timer on January 19, 2006 05:11 PM writes...

WELL >>> Iv'e been in contact with B and R for over 4 yrs. ,,, have NEVER caught either in a lie !!!!!!
of course their time estimates have been wrong ... it's taken alot longer to get things done. ... but WE have to realize that the stuff they are doing has never been done before. and the value quoted by crai is SO much higher now than it was 2 yrs ago ...

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120. AZAngel on January 19, 2006 08:04 PM writes...

I agree with Tiny. While I have enjoyed the many comments, it seems like we're rehashing the same old stuff. I have been in contact with R & B throughout when I initiated the call and neither has ever lied to me. SW development in general is a long road with many unforeseens along the way. They want to be done as quickly as we do and no matter what "we" say, it's not going to change things. I got into this thing willing to lose it all like I hope you all did too. I feel good about things and will patiently wait for it. I'm bullish and all should be as well! I hope I have a chance to meet with everyone when the time comes. If not, it's been a great ride anyway! It's fun to dream!

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121. Article1 on January 20, 2006 01:47 AM writes...

Euclid and other compression companies mentioned and the 'hype' effect.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/SC0601/S00026.htm

quote from article: "The significance of improvement in compression ratios is inversely proportional to the credibility of such claims (in other words, the larger the improvement in compression claimed the more likely the claim is to be bogus."

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122. kyangel on January 20, 2006 09:25 AM writes...

Do you think a Co. like CRA would back a bogus ideal. CRA credibilty would be on the line. I think that article is one persons thoughts.

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123. georgiapeachangel on January 20, 2006 09:48 AM writes...

Let's hope it's one person's opinion! It's articles like this that make me nervous! And, I keep wondering if what Euclid has is so great, why hasn't Microsoft or some other company been pounding at the door to buy what they have. Let's hope we're at the right place at the right time with the Euclid product. I want to go to the after party too!!!!!!

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124. kyangel on January 20, 2006 09:54 AM writes...

Rumor has it that 9 companies interested

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125. tiny angel on January 20, 2006 10:28 AM writes...

I"MMMMMM Back. Georgia, Article 1, answers your question. They don't believe we have it. That is what is taking the time. To get them to look at it and understand that it is not just hype.

KY, I think they have targeted 9 companies that could use our technology and what it would be worth to them, I am not so sure those companies are interested at this time. I think we are trying to educate them as to why they should be.

Goes back to article 1. Alot of people need thier paradigm changed. They think cause they don't have or have not seen it, it is just hype or BS. Won't they be surprized.

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126. Hopefull angel on January 20, 2006 10:14 PM writes...

Question... If this is sooo good.. and again I hope it is.. and it will sell for a TON of money.. soon..

then why are they still selling shares for 7500 each? If they knew it would be a big win, why wouldnt they buy ALL THEY CAN GET?

Just a question.

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127. BTownAngel on January 20, 2006 10:40 PM writes...

Who is "they", the angel investors or R & B?

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128. H.264 on January 21, 2006 07:35 AM writes...

Keep dreaming Euclid angels. You guys are no where close to us........... H.264......all the way! We'll see you gals and guys at our party!

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129. Jimmy T on January 21, 2006 10:15 AM writes...

Perhaps Article1 and/or the author of the "hype effect" have not checked out the "Euclid Studio T."

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130. Jimmy T on January 21, 2006 10:16 AM writes...

Perhaps Article 1 and/or the author of the "hype effect" have not checked out the "Euclid Studio T."

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131. BTownAngel on January 21, 2006 01:14 PM writes...

Hopeful- I will buy more for $7,500 a unit in a heartbeat.

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132. SEE SAW on January 21, 2006 06:14 PM writes...

where did everyone go?

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133. tiny Angel on January 22, 2006 09:37 AM writes...

Figured some of you guys would want to know what H.264 is. CRA checked everybody out and I never heard they thought this was a threat. It's been around for awhile

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264

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134. tiny angel on January 22, 2006 06:57 PM writes...

Nobody is selling shares. There are no units left from Euclid. And I am not sure but I don't think private sales are allowed, but I have not confirmed that yet. But if anybody wants to sell I would be more than happy to entertain any offers at least in the abstract, until we find out what is allowed.

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135. RandyM on January 22, 2006 08:57 PM writes...

It does seem like if Euclid was revolutionary-strong and can do what it says Microsoft would just put down a billion bucks or so and buy it up. Bill Gates gives 3 billion a year just in charity. Microsoft has purchased less groundbreaking things in the past for a lot of money. Word should already be out if Euclid was that successful. Euclid technology is probably sub-par than advertised on their website. They’re probably just trying to sell what they completed so far and will let another big company try and finish it.

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136. Sherwoodlikemoney on January 23, 2006 02:08 PM writes...

I just heard that an investment banker will be picked on February 2! Can you believe this - I hope this is only rumor, because I thought that was done over a month ago!
Does anyone have what they believe to be FACTS?

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137. dewman on January 23, 2006 04:36 PM writes...

That is what I heard from Bob.

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138. Sherwoodlikemoney on January 23, 2006 04:53 PM writes...

Dewman, do you still believe that the sale will be concluded in March, or has the time table changed?

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139. BTownAngel on January 23, 2006 05:08 PM writes...

Missing the 22/23rd

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140. Angelluck on January 23, 2006 09:02 PM writes...

Middle of January...any new updates...or still just speculation and rumors?

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141. dewman on January 24, 2006 08:26 AM writes...

I would have to say it will be later.The bank was going to be chosen by Jan. and now Feb. 2 so are we running 1 month behind. We will see.

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142. kyangel on January 24, 2006 10:32 AM writes...

Why is it so hard to pick investment banker? Is it getting the right one or what. Anybody got any ideal.

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143. kyangel on January 24, 2006 10:38 AM writes...

By the way who's throwing the party.

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144. OtherAngel on January 24, 2006 04:35 PM writes...

Has anyone heard that payment to investors will not take place until around July? Apparently the sale will now take longer (what's new!!). Is this just another game that B is playing?

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145. tiny angel on January 24, 2006 06:27 PM writes...

I won't have any trouble waiting for as long as it takes to get my money, once I know it has sold and for how much. I will have pleasant dreams planning the rest of my life.

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146. Richmond on January 25, 2006 01:05 PM writes...

Anybody hear any news lately???

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147. dewman on January 25, 2006 01:44 PM writes...

Buyer? who will it be.

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148. Andy on January 25, 2006 02:47 PM writes...

I don't get it!! All of us have signed subscription agreements, we knew what we were getting into. Venture capital invsesting is ALWAYS risky and there are NO timetables, there are no guarentees. We are all hoping to hit it big, but neither B or R said this was for SURE. Anyone who bought in from by some other means..LLC or whatever needs to go back to that group and complain if they think they've been had.. I for one, think that we should all just "shut-up" and let this situation play out!!

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149. ShowMeTheMoney on January 25, 2006 04:30 PM writes...

Can anyone confirm story to be released in the New York times in a few weeks?

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150. kyangel on January 25, 2006 05:19 PM writes...

heard the same thing about N.Y. post. Going to be big.

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151. . on January 25, 2006 05:41 PM writes...

ny times .. boston herald and INK ,inc magazine

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152. ShowMeTheMoney on January 26, 2006 09:07 AM writes...

Does anyone know, do we have a buyer? If so, what is the time frame for investors to receive money? Facts please, not speculation.

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153. Hopeful Angel on January 26, 2006 09:48 AM writes...

Anybody heard whether Bob went to NY and what's going on? Just wondered if the March/April date was still viable or just a myth!

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154. georgiapeachangel on January 26, 2006 09:57 AM writes...

I'm with Ky Angel....what takes so long to get a bank signed up? And why hasn't this happened by now. I was told in November that they were signing a bank! Man, will we ever get the straight skinny or not? That's what has me so frustrated. They just keep prolonging the process of getting it sold. Apparently the technology is OK, just the sales process now is taking a circuitous turn.

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155. Hopeful Angel on January 26, 2006 10:17 AM writes...

What's going on with the blog? It's missing a whole bunch of comments!

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156. Paradigm on January 26, 2006 10:48 AM writes...

You guys need to get real and realize that IF this is as good as it is touted to be, it's worth the wait!

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157. Anonymous on January 26, 2006 10:55 AM writes...

Also heard that there will be articles in NY Times, Boston Globe and Inc. ....and, that the bank won't be chosen until February, sale probably won't start until March or April and then will take 3 weeks whenever it starts, then another month will pass and checks will be distributed.

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158. Tiny Angel on January 26, 2006 01:17 PM writes...

Guys, The delay, I hear, were tightening up patents. The rumor is they have been addressed. The big fear is a big company sees our stuff steals it and keeps us floundering in court for the next 10 years and waits us out. I do believe the law firms we have, are being extra conservative and pretty much now guarantee that this will not happen. I for one am happy our guys are doing their due dilgence and being ultra conservative. Remember the tourtois and the hare fable.

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159. 1standgoal on January 27, 2006 04:53 PM writes...

A I's - Stay very positive. All indications are that everything is in order and IP has been protected with patents. B&R have put together a great team front and back end. The timing couldn't be better. MS, Google and the likes understand the magnitude of success this technology will create for new owners of it. Enjoy this ride!

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160. OtherAngel on January 27, 2006 05:11 PM writes...

If B was an estimator for a living, then he would have been fired a long time ago. The most charitable thing to say about B is that he has absolutely NO idea when, if ever, the project will be ready to sell, otherwise he would give so many estimates as he has. That is not much of a compliment to anyone.

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161. MONEYMAKER on January 27, 2006 05:57 PM writes...

Other Angel- settle down. No wonder Bobby can't get anything done. He has people like you bothering him. Bobby wants this thing sold and done with just like everyone else. If people would just let it be, and not call him and R all the time, maybe they could get some work done!!

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162. OtherAngel on January 29, 2006 12:56 AM writes...

What is wrong with this site? Cannot go past the first page unless you type in a new comment!!

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163. OtherAngel on January 29, 2006 01:03 AM writes...

Moneylender .... the problem with B is that 99% of what he tells you never materialises, and he might be better if he just said "I don't really know". Instead he comes up with new "certain dates" which invariably never happen. No, I do not phone him regularly but I expect that he should have SOME idea of where and when he is going. I doubt it.

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164. kyangel on January 29, 2006 12:45 PM writes...

I heard CRA to do all negotiating. Bank only to come after sale to hold money.

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165. Anonymous on January 30, 2006 08:19 AM writes...

Is something supposed to happen Feb. 2nd? If someone knows anything, inform the rest of us. Like what is supposedly to happen?

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166. georgiapeachangel on January 30, 2006 09:42 AM writes...

I heard the bank will be selected on Feb. 2, but don't know if that's really the case. B is supposed to be back in NY this week for more media training for TV. Don't know how reliable the information is though. Yes, the site does appear to have a problem. I always get a message: Done, but with errors on page.

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167. Paradigm on January 30, 2006 09:47 AM writes...

Yep, I got the same error message just now!

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168. Anonymous on January 30, 2006 10:22 AM writes...

Hey Dewman, you seem to always have some juicy information. What's the scoop?

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169. otherangel on January 30, 2006 10:22 AM writes...

what's the deal with the site?

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170. Tiny angel on January 30, 2006 11:04 AM writes...

The meeting is to get an exit stategy. We still need more patents. There is not a bank yet. It is still going to be a silent auction. The same stuff, you have been hearing for months. This is a big deal and is very involved. It is going to be done, relax. There is a very high level of unsophisticated investors involved in this group. This is probably a once in a lifetime opportunity for alot of people, you have a possiblity to make millions. You don't get to make huge returns on a deal unless it is involved, and highly risky. This thing is going to be worth the wait.

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171. georgiapeachangel on January 30, 2006 11:17 AM writes...

Tiny, your comments pose another question. Why did R & B tell several of us that there already was an exit strategy and that the company would be sold by the second quarter of '06? I just don't understand why they can't be a little more accurate with their predictions.

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172. tiny angel on January 30, 2006 11:49 AM writes...

Georgiapeach. There is a general exit stategy, which we all know is to sell the IP through an auction to all interested buyers. The problem is educating the prospective buyers into what we have. Secondly the lawyers are involved and want more patent protection. As I have said repeatedly, the technology is so advanced that part of the problem is getting people to accept and understand what we have. Remember something can be sooo good people do not believe it. That is what is taking up alot of the time and changing the the exit times. This will happen, it is just going to take longer. CRA is telling them it is great, but we need to get people to the table and that is turning out to be more difficult than originally thought. That is why the wait is going to be well worth it.

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173. georgiapeachangel on January 30, 2006 11:57 AM writes...

Thanks, Tiny. So, do you think the projected sales date predicted for the end of the second quarter is out the window now? I know it will be worth the wait if the figures we've been told are the extimated value are actualized.

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174. georgiapeachangel on January 30, 2006 11:57 AM writes...

Thanks, Tiny. So, do you think the projected sales date predicted for the end of the second quarter is out the window now? I know it will be worth the wait if the figures we've been told about the extimated value are actualized.

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175. tiny angel on January 30, 2006 12:05 PM writes...

GP, I don't think anybody has an exact time period. I think 1st Q 06 is a possiblity but not a sure thing as a few on this board have shot their mouths off. Rumor is the combined value of all the applicable companies is in the 40 Billion range. Obviously it is not going to sell for anywhere's near that number, but it gives you some idea of the magnitude they are wrestling with. I think they want to bring all those companies to the table if possible to maximimize all of our profits. I am sure they could accept a # that has been proferred but that is not in the best interest of all the investors. And keep in mind thay is what they are trying to do. They have given up seven years of theirs live too. They probably have a much greater interest in doing this correctly as we all do.

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176. georgiadairyfarmer on January 30, 2006 12:15 PM writes...

I have been following this blog for a while, and it appears to be divided between true believers and non-believers.
What I Know
- Represent myself as well as a group of investors with well over 6 figures invested at various levels starting when the shares were $500 each.
-For the last three years have been getting the same speeches about patents and investment banks. Basically no better info than those of you with 5 shres.
-I am in the finance field, and know for a fact that getting an investment bank does not take that much looking and deciding. Their are only so many players in the major leagues.
-Everyones patientce is getting thin, not because we have to see a return ASAP or because we are "unsavy investors" as someone put, but because of the constant misrepresentations about dates and autions. Just some facts from the top would do alot to settle nerves and calm the masses. So I find it a little odd that this has not been done, especially with a PR firm already on the team.

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177. georgiapeachangel on January 30, 2006 12:21 PM writes...

Georgia Dairy Farmer, I think you have just expressed what a lot of us are feeling. I don't mind waiting as long as I know I'm getting a truthful answer. It's the hedges and misrepresentations that are bothersome. I wish either R or B would just come forward and let us know what is REALLY going on. We need to see some of that "keeping investors informed."

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178. Sherwoodlikemoney on January 30, 2006 12:44 PM writes...

I find it hard to understand how a prospective buyer would not understand the IP.
All we need as investors is correct and timely information as to where we ACTUALLY are in the process, as opposed to projections and dates that are never met.

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179. Tiny angel on January 30, 2006 12:54 PM writes...

Cause they don't know. It has never been done like this before. Usually some companies hears about it or you tell some company about you and they buy you. You might get a couple of hundred million on a good day. The developers get rich and we get chump change in return. I agree they are not good with communication because I really don't think they know.

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180. 1standgoal on January 30, 2006 01:21 PM writes...

I think they know but are not going to play their hand in public. We, the AI's, are doing that for them, and a poor job at that. If I was going to the table to buy something and knew the seller had great pressure to sell, I may offer less. Take it down a notch and talk fact that this year is to be most active and lucrative year for buyouts and mergers in history. How about Disney, Verizon, Google, Sony, MS and TW at your dinner table shortly and their all hungry...

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181. timeless on January 30, 2006 03:38 PM writes...

Get real! Don't think for a minute that this blog puts pressure on anybody!
And you've got to be kidding if you think ANY company capable of buying this doesn't understand the IP!

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182. Tiny Angel on January 30, 2006 03:47 PM writes...

Nobody doubts for one minute they can't understand it. They just don't believe it because they have not seen it. It all about exposure.

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183. kyangel on January 30, 2006 03:50 PM writes...

From what I hear B is pretty strong willed. So he is going to do it his way and when the time is right. So everybody just calm down and enjoy

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184. PRICE IS RIGHT on January 30, 2006 04:20 PM writes...

I too, am a six figure investor. I talk to them on a fairly regular basis. They have never made promises about dates for banks, auctions or sales. What they have promised......

- a valuable and real product.
- continued improvement until sold.
- protection with as many patents as necessary.
- selling when the time is right for maximum investor return.

As far as I am concerned that is their only responsiblity to all angels, big or small.
What more can you ask?

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185. anonymous on January 30, 2006 04:31 PM writes...

Price is right,

That is exactly what I was told.

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186. . on January 31, 2006 11:38 AM writes...

Could someone please comment or update on any new press release dates or if B&R are active.its quiet and think no news is good news.

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187. dewman on January 31, 2006 12:05 PM writes...

waiting for Feb 2 ( Bob has been reading our comments).

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188. georgiapeachangel on January 31, 2006 12:14 PM writes...

I'm going to visit my psychic on Feb. 2 to see if she can tell me anything about Euclid! The last time I visited her in December she said I would come into a great deal of money in 6 months, so I hope she's right! By the say, I had never told her I had made an investment in Euclid or any other financial endeavor. She's never given me bad information before!!!!! (Maybe I should have her call R and B and let them know what she knows!!!)

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189. georgiapeachangel on January 31, 2006 12:16 PM writes...

Should read....By the way... she's never given me bad information before!

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190. Tiny Angel on January 31, 2006 12:43 PM writes...

Bob, If you are reading our comments. I want to thank you for all your hard work. I for one appreciate everything you have done and are doing even if things don't turn out as we all hope.
I remain confident.

Tiny

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191. Anonymous on January 31, 2006 01:25 PM writes...

Dewman: OK, what exactly is going to happen Feb. 2nd? Is it an annoucement, a buyer, a sell or just groundhogs day? Maybe he won't see his shadow and we'll still have something to celebrate.

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192. Anonymous on January 31, 2006 02:58 PM writes...

I guess no one knows!

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193. dewman on January 31, 2006 03:04 PM writes...

Picking the bank,

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194. Anonymous on January 31, 2006 04:21 PM writes...

Will this be announced somewhere or will we have to tune into the BLOG?

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195. Anonymous on January 31, 2006 08:05 PM writes...

good times roll

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196. Anonymous on January 31, 2006 08:11 PM writes...

basic fence party in georgia when it sells

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197. georgiapeachangel on January 31, 2006 11:22 PM writes...

I must be dumber than dirt! I'm from Georgia and I've never heard of a basic fence party, so please enlighten the rest of us!

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198. long timer on February 1, 2006 06:32 AM writes...

in NY 1st thru 3rd ... more pr training for the press and video presentation. on the 2nd will be deciding on the bank but it won"t be signed for a couple of weeks. Also on the 2nd will make other exit strategy decisions. hpoefully the ny times article will be out this month, and B will adress this Blog directly ... also update on website. B says that this month we will be taking the blanket off for the world to see and the excitement in the press that we have been waiting for will FINALLY arrive. long wait but it's about to happen.

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199. georgiapeachangel on February 1, 2006 09:37 AM writes...

Thanks for the info, Long Timer. I'm sure all of us who are not in direct contact with R or B appreciate it.

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200. FU-R-n-B on February 1, 2006 09:59 AM writes...

Two coments:

1. Tiny Angel is apparently on the payroll, and if not should be!
2. Bob has had enough media trainning to have a masters in mass communication at this point. According to previous posts he has been going since December

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201. kyangel on February 1, 2006 10:17 AM writes...

hopeful angel still want to unload units.
The person who posted the last statemet should use his real name if he feels that way and not be such a coward

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202. you first on February 1, 2006 10:18 AM writes...

Yes, since we are all on a first name basis here

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203. Anonymous on February 1, 2006 10:40 AM writes...

Must not have any units!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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204. georgiapeachangel on February 1, 2006 11:22 AM writes...

What's up with the site?

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205. Tiny Angel on February 1, 2006 11:43 AM writes...

FU, speak for yourself, not me. I am not and never have been on the payroll. I have never even spoken to Bob.

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206. Jimmy T on February 1, 2006 12:01 PM writes...

FYI – long timer’s recent post is factual and up-to-date information. As another long timer I realize there have been a lot of stops and starts along the way resulting in frustration, not just for investors, but for B&R as well. Unfortunately that is the nature of going where no one else has gone. There are rational and reasonable justifications for these delays. During the development faze, they surrounded themselves with renowned individuals in their respective fields. Following the same template they are in the process of implementing a well planned exit strategy. Now is not the time for expletives; but the time relax and enjoy the ride down the home stretch!

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207. georgiapeachangel on February 1, 2006 12:26 PM writes...

I think FU needs to take some courage pills. Yes, we are all a little frustrated but there's no need to be so graphic! I'm with KYAngel on the purchase of shares. Hopeful Angel, if you still are interested in selling shares for $7500 each, I'll bet you could get rid of all your shares in a hurry now!

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208. tiny angel on February 1, 2006 12:42 PM writes...

For all you naysayers and complainers. I will double what anyone paid for their shares. And I will give them half of the return if this goes through as planned. Its a no brainer for all you non believers. Lets see how really negative some of you are. Bet I don't get any takers.

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209. anonymous (2) on February 1, 2006 01:51 PM writes...

Way to go Tiny Angel!
I have known Bob for a number of years and find him to be honest and a man of the highest integrity.
It looks like to me if you are not happy Little Angel has made you an offer that we would be hard to refuse

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210. . on February 1, 2006 02:37 PM writes...

.will pay almost anything for units

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211. long timer on February 1, 2006 02:55 PM writes...

ok guys ... bought them at 2500 , 5000, 7500, and 10000 recently been offered 25k ... would not sell for 100k !!!! but be willing to buy at ???? you name it ...

anybody willing to sell now does not know the current eval. and how close we are

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212. tiny angel on February 1, 2006 04:24 PM writes...

To you guys, who are having trouble finding the site, when you get to a current page, rebook mark it, or put the new site in you favorite places, As they posted this blog on a new page on Jan 20 instead of returning to the original september page which do longer updates. If I go back and log on, on the old page the messages stopped after Jan 20. I keep seeing all these periods and punctuation so I know you are trying to find the new site. Or long on at this link and re-book.

http://www.corante.com/mooreslore/archives/2006/01/20/angel_investors_in_america.php

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213. georgiapeachangel on February 1, 2006 06:12 PM writes...

Tiny, thanks for the update on updating the site! I've been trying to figure out why I wasn't seeing new comments and discovered I was on the Sept. site. I also bought in at $2500 and $5000 and would be glad to buy units for whatever you want to sell them for!

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214. tiny angel on February 1, 2006 06:48 PM writes...

Georgia Peach,

Your welcome, I am trying to buy, not sell.

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215. georgiapeachangel on February 1, 2006 09:05 PM writes...

I realized I had implied you wanted to sell -- didn't mean to do that -- wanted to let those who want to sell know that I'm interested too! I just hope that if the ground hog sees his shadow tomorrow it won't mean 6 more weeks of waiting to know something positive about Euclid!

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216. kyangel on February 2, 2006 12:54 PM writes...

Dewman it's Feb. 2 What's happening

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217. tiny angel on February 2, 2006 01:58 PM writes...

Relax guys, a bolt of lightening is not coming out of the sky today. They are going to talk to a banker and have a discussion. That is it. They are going to plan an exit. It is a meeting, it will probably be months before this thing is sold and wrapped up. You are going to drive yourself and everyone around you crazy. Sit tight.

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218. Anonymous on February 2, 2006 02:08 PM writes...

Georgiapeach I'm dying to know what your psychic said.

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219. georgiapeachangel on February 2, 2006 04:01 PM writes...

Don't go to the psychic until 6 p.m. Will let you know if she predicts wealth or poverty!

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220. Anonymous on February 2, 2006 08:59 PM writes...

Any News?

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221. georgiapeachangel on February 2, 2006 10:51 PM writes...

Well, my psychic says I will receive a large sum of money, but not as soon as I had been told I would. She said I needed to beware of a sneak thief and didn't know if that had anything to do with my getting money or not but to be wary and not to believe everything I was told. She also said that I had been listening to negative comments of others that were therefore having a negative effect on me and I should not let others' negativity cause me to worry needlessly. She said she did see a large sum of money coming my way but that I needed to have patience because it would be worth the wait. So.....I guess I'll stop being a daily checker or, even more importantly, contributor to the blog. When I told her I was reading a blog on an investment she told me to stop because it was causing me needless worry, so I'm going to take her advice, stop worrying and sit back and wait on my ship to come in! Hope all you skeptics and naysayers can follow my lead and stop worrying yourselves silly over something over which none of us has any control.

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222. long timer on February 3, 2006 08:51 AM writes...

i agree totally ... I'm out of here

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223. BTownAngel on February 4, 2006 05:29 PM writes...

Wow, all this talk and suddenly it stops. Please continue to share when you have news.

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224. BTownAngel on February 4, 2006 07:42 PM writes...

Dewman keep us on track.

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225. 1999Angel on February 6, 2006 11:46 AM writes...

Does anybody know anything about the meeting in NY last week to choose the bank? Did they choose one? When will the auction be? What's up, folks?

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226. Strawberrymelon on February 6, 2006 02:23 PM writes...

Does anyone have any news??

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227. Anonymous on February 6, 2006 06:03 PM writes...

Anything? Any new news?

Feb 2...came and went in a blink.

Nothing?

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228. 1standgoal on February 6, 2006 06:18 PM writes...

I'd give it 10 working days and someone will come up with a bank name and auction start date. If that seems like a long time to wait at least you will have some solid pr to read (and Olympics to watch)in the meantime.

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229. Tiny Angel on February 6, 2006 06:22 PM writes...

Cryptic but encouraging. I hope there is some basis for that.

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230. 1standgoal on February 6, 2006 06:55 PM writes...

some.

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231. Steamteam on February 6, 2006 11:28 PM writes...

Hey G-peach, did your pyschic tell you that the Steelers were going to win the superbowl? We could have bet the house if we only knew...

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232. joe on February 7, 2006 02:31 PM writes...

How come www.eucliddiscoveries no longer works?? Have they fled with our money?

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233. tiny angel on February 7, 2006 02:35 PM writes...

Was working earlier, Betcha any $$$$$ they are updating the site. Hopefully to have more good news.

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234. Anonymous on February 7, 2006 03:00 PM writes...

Way to stay positive Tiny, keep the good carma flowing.

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235. 1stand goal on February 7, 2006 04:35 PM writes...

Hey Joe- please invest in bonds next time and leave us alone.

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236. tiny angel on February 7, 2006 04:52 PM writes...

AHA, As I suspected, let you in on a little secret. Go to Eucliddiscoveries.com click on it and the box will open up with site not found then click on the hyperlink for Euclid, then an index will open up, go to the link near the botton that says register HTML and 32K, click on that and the register box at the euclid site will open, then click on news and you will see new headlines for news about Euclid. Just to give a heads up on what is coming. Definitely not gone and scamming, just moving forward.

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237. anaon on February 7, 2006 04:59 PM writes...

Sorry, I can only access the old info. 12/21/05. Anyway to post a link to the updated news?

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238. Tiny angel on February 7, 2006 05:06 PM writes...

If you saw those 4 topics, including business week and the real deal. that is all there is at this point that we can access, it is just showing that they are updating the website, and the new look of Euclid in the News

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239. tiny angel on February 7, 2006 05:09 PM writes...

Sneak preview, it will all be part of the updated website, just found a back door and tool a peek.

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240. Anonymous on February 7, 2006 05:13 PM writes...

Good to see they are keeping things up to date, but somewhat dissapointing that the news is so old. Guess we shall see in 8 days or so.

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242. Angel1 on February 8, 2006 05:52 PM writes...

Have you heard about "Blackberry"? The patent trouble they are having. Don't you all think it is better for Euclid to be safe than sorry? Dewman, Are you out there? We need some direction!

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243. BTownAngel on February 8, 2006 06:06 PM writes...

Dewman - Tiny - Longtimer- GPeach - Jimmy T give us some heads up. Will the product still be uncovered for the world to see in Feb? Whats suppose to happen in 8 days?

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244. georgiapeachangel on February 8, 2006 07:13 PM writes...

Reliable sources tell me the bank hasn't been chosen yet. The website is being updated, but don't know when it will be up. I still get the old website when I search for it. Don't know anything else, sorry. As for my psychic telling me about the Super Bowl --- I didn't ask! The only football I care about is the Georgia DAWGS!!!

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245. AZangel on February 8, 2006 09:26 PM writes...

Will you people settle down! I used to post on this site and stopped because most of the entries are whining in nature and repetitive. For those of you who are real investors in this company, and you put down your money, NOBODY promised you anything, only the prospect of a significant return. Why do you expect anything more? I admit that communications have been weak at best, but why don't you call R or B and quit relying on someone on this blog to provide you with answers and they don't know!
This site is a link on the new website under "In the News". Go back and review the posts here and then think of yourself as someone new to the euclid site. Most of this stuff is negative when in fact, the technology and the prospect of success after a long wait is great! My advise to all is to shut up and wait! We've waited this long, what's a little while longer?
Definition of angel investing: HIGHLY SPECULATIVE with NO guarantee of ANYTHING! Didn't everyone know this when you got in? I did!

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246. NHall on February 8, 2006 11:35 PM writes...

Wow!! 245 posts so far. Everyone must be getting anxious. I know, lets start a betting pool, as sort of a "hedge" fund. Say, $100 per entry, as to the final value of a single share. Those with big investments can bet "low", and those with little or no investment can bet "high". If we can get 1,000 entries, that would be a pay-off of $100,000. Oh, I'll hold the money.

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247. - on February 9, 2006 09:32 AM writes...

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248. BtownAngel on February 9, 2006 09:57 AM writes...

AZ- Take your own advice and chill out, I find you to be negitve, we don't need to be reprimanded, the majority of AI's are positive and fully understand the extent of our investment.

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249. sunnyangel on February 9, 2006 10:37 AM writes...

Good things happen to those who wait...I know everyone is extremely anxious to get their checks and wanting info as to when and how that's all gonna happen. We are all using this blog to share whatever little bit of info we can get because of this anxiety and the lack of comm from R&B. I think its great that we have a place to come and share these thoughts,but let me emphasize they are mostly "personal thoughts and opinions" vs "actual facts". Interesting and fun to read - but not neccessarily fact. We need to continue the dialogue,but keep in mind R & B may not know all the facts at this point. I'm sure, based on numerous conversations with R over the years that he wants this thing done just as much as we do. He has NEVER given an exact date and has always been cautious with time lines. He has, however,always left the impression that it IS GONNA HAPPEN. Lets just have fun, continue to share, but stop looking for "exact" info - I truly believe that no one has that including R&B. When its ready to go, we'll go... and well worth the wait. lets all just get along - we don't want any fighting going on at the party - speaking of party did we ever get the explanation of a "fence party" what the??

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250. georgiapeachangel on February 9, 2006 10:57 AM writes...

I agree totally and, yes, I'm still waiting on a definition of a fence party too! I've asked my fellow Georgians and they are all clueless too. Maybe we just don't have fence parties in "Hotlanta!"

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251. Tiny angel on February 9, 2006 11:01 AM writes...

I totally agree, it is comforting to know that we are not in this alone and other people share the same hopes and anxiety. However an occassional bone would be helpful as well. If we were VC's instead of angels, we would be better informed. Money is money no matter who it comes from. A little information and some respect for our contribution is really not too much to ask for. Simple reports like: had meeting this week in New York, met banks, met lawyers etc, moving forward, would go along way to assuring investors. Just shuting down the website for an update created anxiety for a number of investors that I know. I think one of the reasons this blog is so active is because for alot of people the rumours they read here are more information than they recieved since they invested. For alot of people unless you had access to the management team, you might not hear a thing for months if not years at a time except for a cookie jar or a globe at Christmas. I for one feel much more secure in my investment from participating in this blog. I find it sort of carthotic and reassuring I am not in this alone.

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252. tiny angel on February 9, 2006 11:05 AM writes...

Georgia Peach, See you couldn't stay away, glad your back.

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253. Anonymous on February 9, 2006 11:10 AM writes...

basic fence (name of co.)also a euclid angel.

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254. sunnyangel on February 9, 2006 11:15 AM writes...

Tiny - I agree 100%. Hopefully R&B are reading this and will understand that's all we want is the occassional "bone" - a little bit of info would go a long way in calming everyone down and probably eliminate alot of phone calls to them (freeing up time for them to stay focused on the task of selling this thing)-Hope you all have a great day - keep on dreamin'!!

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255. * on February 9, 2006 11:16 AM writes...

Promising information from LLC...Anyone else?

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256. tiny angel on February 9, 2006 11:36 AM writes...

Mean't to write cathartic, no spell check on this blog. I need it sometimes. LOL
PS, I think we will have a big press release this month, let the light shine in.

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257. georgiapeachangel on February 9, 2006 12:23 PM writes...

Gosh, it's sort of disappointing to learn that a basic fence party isn't a fence party for all of us!!!!! I had all my friends trying to find out what a fence party was because we thought we'd heard it all and had never heard of a fence party!!! Oh, well, we can all celebrate soon, I hope -- either at a fence party or a pool party or a beer bash -- choose your own poison! I think we'll all have something to celebrate by the Fourth of July (and, yes, that's my personal opinion but it's based on what I've been told by B in a recent phone call.)

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258. Anonymous on February 9, 2006 02:40 PM writes...

* what kind of promising info did you get from your LLC

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259. * on February 9, 2006 03:04 PM writes...

Coming soon and maybe better than anyone has predicted thus far...

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260. sunnyangel on February 9, 2006 03:41 PM writes...

I'm with you georgiapeach - thought fence party was something really cool and lots of fun!however,they'll need a fence around all of us to contain the excitement on pay day! "hotlanta" is a new one for me too.R u all "hotties" or are you referring to weather?lol I think Arizona takes the prize for "hot" (and maybe some hotties, too! lol) Hey * what's with the "*"?? I think I'll switch to "!" lol Sorry people-I guess I'm just bored today...lol

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261. tiny angel on February 9, 2006 04:14 PM writes...

Guess our blog sort of messed up putting the original Corante article in the "Euclid in the News" section of the updated website. Noticed they had to put the text of the article in a Adobe PDF file so all our bitching and moaning would not appear on the site. Maybe they should start a members only website and a blog with regular updates, that would be cool. NA too much to ask. LOL

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262. georgiapeachangel on February 9, 2006 04:59 PM writes...

Hey, Tiny, I think you're onto something with a suggestion of a members only blog on the website. Wish they'd do it but I doubt they will! Anyway, yes all us Georgia girls are "hotties" and that's not just because it's hot in Atlanta. Some of us have homes in Savannah too!

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263. Anonymous on February 9, 2006 11:47 PM writes...

Has anybody heard anything at ALL from R or B that they can report? These cryptic comments on the blog are so veiled that I have no idea what to expect or when! I'm trying to be patient but would just like a little bit of information that lets the investors know what's in the works. Not asking R or B to reveal their strategies, just throw the investors a tiny bone, PLEASE!

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264. PLEASE on February 10, 2006 08:06 AM writes...

The problem is no one wants to be outed as a mole.
Some of us are afraid that if B or R know we are saying anything (and they don't say too much) we will be further out of the loop. Believe me when I tell you they are somewhat vague themselves. I think if you read all the post you are pretty much up to date as to what is happening. There are really only two important questions: when and how much? I don't think there is any question of if. Now you are up to date with the rest of us, probably including B&R.

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265. Fenceman on February 10, 2006 10:41 AM writes...

I am an angel, but I think someone has confused the fence party with me. Just wanted to let Georia Peach know, I don't know what a fence party is either. Maybe someone will tell us when we finally get to have a party.. I agree, it would be nice to have a little more information given out to us. Most of us hear about time frames, but they are never reached. It would be nice just to know what is happening.. It is going to happen,let's just hope it is soon.

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266. georgiapeachangel on February 10, 2006 11:45 AM writes...

Hey, Fenceman, maybe a fence party is what we'll need to fence in all the investors when Euclid finally does pay off! We'll be so excited it'll take a wrought iron fence to contain us, I imagine. I will revert to my symbollic question of Feb. 1, which was, if B saw his shadow on Ground Hog day, does that mean we have to wait another 6 weeks to find out anything? Just a thought!!!! But, he did assure me that we'd have everything tied up in a nice big package with an extra large bow on it real soon and we'd all be laughing all the way to the bank before too long. (I just think his interpretation of "before too long" and mine are about 7 years apart!)

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267. tiny angel on February 10, 2006 12:38 PM writes...

Let's also hope his interpretation of " a nice big package with an extra large bow" is not 7 light years apart either. I think a million a unit would be a nice round number I could live with.

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268. 1st on February 10, 2006 01:10 PM writes...

Lets evaluate offline. Putting numbers out there makes me feel like being on the cover of SI. (The big J word)

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269. Anonymous on February 10, 2006 01:17 PM writes...

I feel sure that R & B are smarter than to let the window of opportunity pass. That brass ring only comes around once. I hope it's big enough that all investors can grab on. I hope we don't end up with a bunch of worthless patents.

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270. 1st on February 10, 2006 01:45 PM writes...

Only a question-If someone was ahead of ED technology would'nt there be a visible patent to secure it and some sort of press on it? Only my thought- No smoke and mirrors or pr can hide or misrepresent a true development/technology.ED is for real(see patents). Soon time will tell street value. I have and other AI's have commented that we couldn't be in a better position than we are right now.
Now..back to fence party talk.

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271. tiny on February 10, 2006 01:49 PM writes...

I can only wish that things I write or talk about have that much influence.

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272. tiny on February 10, 2006 01:56 PM writes...

According to CRA report, there is no competition.....................

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273. small % on February 11, 2006 10:03 AM writes...

has anyone been updated lately, on euclid.

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274. sunnyangel on February 12, 2006 09:08 PM writes...

small% -read the last 272 comments on this blog and you will be about as updated as the rest of us.

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275. georgiapeachangel on February 13, 2006 09:49 AM writes...

I think we'd better forget hearing fromm R or B any time soon. Let's hope they're spending all their time trying to get this sold! If there are any of us who DO get to talk to them (I haven't in over 3 weeks!!!) please give us a shred of hope if there is any. I've given you the latest information I have, which isn't much, but it's better than nothing, I guess. We all need to remember that we aren't the only people looking at this blog and hope that a potential buyer won't think negatively about ED when or if they DO read this blog.

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276. tiny on February 13, 2006 10:04 AM writes...

GP, This thing better be sold on its merits and if our blog has any such affect on that, then we probably don't have what we are told we have.

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277. georgiapeachangel on February 13, 2006 10:47 AM writes...

Tiny, you're absolutely correct that this should be sold on its merits. I guess I forget that R and B won't be involved with the product after it is sold and the prospective buyer probably won't care if their communication with their investors is or has been a subject of concern or not.

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278. FSoles on February 13, 2006 12:25 PM writes...

I appreciate everything R and B have done and are doing. I would never be in a position to live the life I hope to live without their hard work and kindness. Kindness because they didn't have to let me in. They allowed me to come along with them and take a chance on something special. I don't have a whole lot in. The idea was whatever I put up was lost. Hopefully the odds would be wrong and I would benefit greatly. Wether gain or lose, I just want some info and something to verify that it was good info not false hopes.

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279. Ky.Blue on February 13, 2006 12:57 PM writes...

Well >>> January has come and gone and February is moving pretty fast! What is the new date now. (Two weeks I'm sure!)I just met with a group of investors and they are starting to be very concerned with all the false dates/times,etc. they have been given by B and R. What do you hear , what do you say?

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280. ANGEL on February 13, 2006 01:05 PM writes...

FSoles,you are right.If nothing else"HOPEFULLY" the dream will come true for all of us.we should sit back and let R AND B do there job.I think it is to late to worry about it now.I want to thank "ALL" the ANGEL for all there input and hopefully it will be over soon.

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281. tiny on February 13, 2006 01:34 PM writes...

Here we go again. There are people posting on this blog who post anonymously and others who have made statements about dates and times that they have no business doing. I have been telling you guys since I started posting here, I am pretty tight and they have not told me things I have read on this site in terms of when and how much. So I can almost guarantee you they have not told some of these blowhards. Some of the hopes that have been held onto here have been expressed by people if you go back and read past posts have been wrong on every account. This is a huge deal and these guys are professionals regardless of what some of you may think. I think we are hearing less because they know they are going to close this deal and then everyone will love them. They can stand the heat because all will be forgiven. Anybody who posts anonymously cannot be taken seriously, and no offence Dewman but your intel in no good. Obviously we all post anonymously but with a name attached at least we can go back and check the accuracy of past posts. Everybody relax this thing is going to happen. If I was closing this deal I would be laughing at all the negative comments as they know they will be having the last laugh. The guy who wrote we will hear something in eight business days, again anonymously those days will be up Fri. I am feeling pissy today, my apologies to anyone I offended. I will give you my latest update. Maybe JULY!!!!!!!!!!!

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282. 1standgoal on February 13, 2006 01:41 PM writes...

On Feb 6 I mentioned that we should wait for something to materialize in 10 business days. (It's only been 5 days) That would put us at Friday 2/17 or Mon 2/20. Might only be speculation but that is what I understood to be timeframe for events to become visible. Doesn't mean completion or end of the world...just forward progress.

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283. lotto on February 13, 2006 02:32 PM writes...

anyone's psychic have the powerball numbers? 300 million...

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284. Anonymous on February 13, 2006 03:10 PM writes...

I love the "two more weeks" at least some of us are consistently getting the same info. I am not sure who made this Tiny person think that they are the Blog Master, but you are anonymous, I dont see you posting your first and last name up here behind your "tight" with R&B info. Chill out this is a discussion forum!

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285. tiny angel on February 13, 2006 04:37 PM writes...

Once again another bullshit artist. I can guarantee that you are not being fed "two more weeks" by anyone knowledgable in the company. I am the most active blogger on this site because wether you believe it or not I am one of the only (not the only) credible posters. And it is posts like your that make me realize that you are too stupid to even understand that. So as of this point, see how you do on your own. I don't feel like I have any more to gain from being active. I was trying to be a source of information and reason. I am taking my toys and going home.

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286. Anonymous on February 13, 2006 04:46 PM writes...

I am confused are Tiny and Tiny Angel the same? Because Tiny Angel clains never to have spoken to R& B in previous posts (204) but Tiny claims to be "tight" its all so confusing without first and last names. I have absolutely been told by Bob on multiple occassions (going back probably two years)two weeks and obviously other people are getting that same response.

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287. tiny angel on February 13, 2006 05:04 PM writes...

Hey moron, if you are going to quote me at least do so correctly, go back and read post 205, which is my post not, 204. I said "I have never even spoken to BOB.
You really ARE confused. People could tell you anything and you would get it wrong. You probably were talking to the wrong BOB.
Outta here!!!

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288. sunnyangel on February 13, 2006 05:04 PM writes...

I think some people maybe had a bad weekend???? Where's the love people,after all tomorrow is VALENTINE'S DAY! I would urge everyone to go back and read post # 249 -lets just chill out. See what money is doing to everyone - and we don't even have it yet. Try to have a good day.

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289. Anonymous on February 13, 2006 05:08 PM writes...

Well bye already. Farewell soccer mom, have your husband post next time.

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290. georgiapeachangel on February 13, 2006 05:52 PM writes...

OK, children, we may really need to have a fence party to separate the irritable folks on this blog!!! Take it easy, folks, as we've been told before, this will be well worth the wait, no matter how long it is. Yes, it's taken a long time and it may take a little time longer, but if any of the predictions from B are correct, we WILL ALL BE LAUGHING ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK. As for lotto numbers, sorry, my psychic only gave me numbers that would be good for me -- they all add up to 29! Not a lot of help, really, because there are literally thousands of ways to combine the numbers. Thank goodness I'm not counting on the lottery to get rich!!!!! I'm counting on this investment paying off and paying off big enough to enable me to live where I want to, when I want to and to travel anywhere I please -- first class. No more work for this ole gal when the ship finally does dock!

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291. BTownAngel on February 13, 2006 06:09 PM writes...

Tiny Angel, don't let Anonymous run you off. I sense that you are a much stronger person than that and certainly. Your are a partner an I urge you to stay. "Sad in Bardstown"

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292. BTownAngel on February 13, 2006 06:12 PM writes...

Tiny Angel, don't let Anonymous run you off. I sense that you are a much stronger person than that and certainly smarter. Your are a partner and I urge you to stay. "Sad in Bardstown"

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293. 1standgoal on February 13, 2006 06:39 PM writes...

Anonymous- Weak.Can't believe B&R let you in. They were cautious with whom they wanted to see prosper. Hope your not in deep.

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294. kyangel on February 13, 2006 08:05 PM writes...

This was a fun blog. So let's all chill out and enjoy the ride. When the party happens we don't want be upset with are fellow investors.

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295. kyangel on February 13, 2006 08:07 PM writes...

This was a fun blog. So let's all chill out and enjoy the ride. When the party happens we don't want to be upset with are fellow investors.

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296. georgiapeachangel on February 13, 2006 08:40 PM writes...

Amen, KY Angel and all others who have encouraged Tiny to remain on the blog. People who don't have the courage to identify themselves have no reason to criticize anyone -- especially if they don't have the intestinal fortitude to assume a name other than "anonymous." I stayed away for a few days because the blog was getting weird and now it seems to have gone from weird to ridiculous! This is just a place where fellow investors can share information if they have it and talk to other investors who may or may not have strong opinions of their own. We shouldn't allow any one person to cause us all to pack up our toys and go home. We have as much right to our opinions as Mr. or Ms., Mrs., HE/SHE Anonymous does, so don't let the naysayers get the upper hand! Let's all hang in here together and look forward to having a blast at the party -- whenever and wherever it is!

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297. 1standgoal on February 13, 2006 09:42 PM writes...

Posting on this site or blogging is a form of freedom of speech. Whoever has sat a table with a group of people brainstroming and sharing ideas as well as facts understands that no one is wrong with their thoughts. However, negative comments are not acceptable,proactive or constructive and should not have a place here. Everything you read (or enter yourself for that matter) should be accepted as part of the sum. I have been guilty of jumping like others and with that said, again calling people blowhards and bullshit artists is not acceptable. Nothing I wrote deserved it but was aimed at me, atleast partially. tiny angel, I read your past entries, very positive and correct. Stick with it and don't become tiny brain(sorry). Today was a bad day but we need your insight as well as other constructive bloggers-AI's.

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298. Tiny angel on February 13, 2006 10:20 PM writes...

Sorry guys, I had a bad day today, my dog died and I let anonymous get under my skin. 1standgoal, that post was not directed at you. I tried to convey that 10 business days were not until the end of the week. Thank all of you for the support. By the way much to someones chagrin I am a he. When I went on my little tirade I was reacting to the anonymous posts not at any of you who are actively involve with a recognizable name. I will not from this point recognize anyone who posts anonymously. We do not have a bank and probably will not have one until March. This thing will take months, lets hope we have some little bit of hope or new info every two weeks.

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299. georgiapeachangel on February 13, 2006 11:12 PM writes...

Tiny, sorry to hear about your dog, but so glad you aren't quitting the blog. I had a feeling that the bank probably wouldn't be selected until March. I was told it would probably take all of February to select, then another 3-4 weeks for the bank to get a "book" together, then the "dog and pony show" then the auction which I have been assured will be for 3 weeks and 3 weeks only, whenever it finally does begin. If you add up all these weeks, you can see we're probably looking at late April or early May for the auction and a payout would probably not be forthcoming before July -- and that's in a perfect world. We all know that nothing's perfect and trying to set exact dates just hasn't worked and probably won't work in the sale of Euclid. Again, I could wait to celebrate until the 4th of July, couldn't all of you? What a fireworks show we could have!

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300. 1standgoal on February 13, 2006 11:32 PM writes...

We just proved the pen is mightier than the sword. GPA-your closer to task and schedule than I diseminated from conversations with ED. Out.

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301. sunnyangel on February 14, 2006 02:43 AM writes...

Tiny - sorry to hear about your dog. I have a very spoiled little dog and would be absolutely crushed if something happened to it. I'm glad to see everyone seems to have settled down a bit. All your insight Tiny, GPA are much appreciated. Thanks for keeping us informed. Will be looking forward to blowin'off the fireworks from the "fence". How 'bout an after- sale- party -cruise? I call first dibs on the Grand Penthouse suite(I think they now come with your own butler!)How cool would that be -"More champagne Jeeves for all my rich friends!"

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302. georgiapeachangel on February 14, 2006 08:42 AM writes...

Happy Valentine's Day all you fellow Euclid investors! Instead of a luxury cruise,(I love to cruise, just don't like being "at sea" -- rather get somewhere so I can SHOP) why don't we just rent an entire resort for all the investors and be waited on hand and foot? Believe me, I can dream up all kinds of ways to spend my return on my investment. First, I'll make certain I invest well so that I can live off the proceeds while flitting about from home to home visiting children and grandchildren. Maybe the old widow can even find a husband who'll want to "share the wealth."

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303. FSoles on February 14, 2006 10:17 AM writes...

Thank you to everyone who shares what they know or have heard. It is so refreshing to hear that others have the same concerns as I. Please keep the chat going. We're all on the same team and we all have the same two coaches. Let's stay positive for their sake as well as ours. It will happen and this blog will be a memory. Everyone enjoy your day and SHOW SOME LOVE!

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304. Hopeful Angel on February 14, 2006 12:29 PM writes...

Haven't been on the blog for a while but just want to thank all of you who do share what you know -- or think you know. GP, I heard the same thing you did from B, so at least we got the same story...if not an exact date. By the way, I'm NOT the Hopeful Angel who wanted to sell shares. I changed my entries to 1999 Angel but since the other Hopeful hasn't posted recently, decided to go back to my original handle.

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305. OTHERANGEL on February 14, 2006 12:46 PM writes...

wwww

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306. small% on February 14, 2006 01:47 PM writes...

fyi heard from b over wkend, going fine fantastic great. in & out of ny lots of meetings with/re patent,ticket meeting training,pr firm.
1st patent went public last week with all diagrams
and drawings to look at, 17 more in hopper
it's coming to end and sign bank in march.

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307. kyangel on February 14, 2006 02:44 PM writes...

small%
nice info but please try not to use time lines because if thing don't happen these folks get very upset

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308. J. Godfrey on February 14, 2006 03:15 PM writes...

As a friend of many of the Angels I am sorry to say that it is my felling, and I do hope that I am wrong, that B and R are having their fencing party now. Webster"s New world Dictionary definition "to avoid giving a direct reply; be evasive. Sorry, but I can see only one reason why they would not be providing correct and prompt information. The power ball is at $300,000,000.00. That's only a dollar. Good luck all.

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309. BtownAngel on February 14, 2006 04:24 PM writes...

Small% Thank you very much for the info, I'm one of "these folks" and I understand exsactly what your saying; and I appreciate your sharing the information. "Projected at this time to be March" By now I would hope that everyone knows these are target timelines, at least that is the way I take it. Keep it coming if you hear anything else,and Happy Valentines Day!

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310. kyangel on February 14, 2006 04:43 PM writes...

J. Godfrey do you have dog in this fight or just friend of angels

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311. BtownAngel on February 14, 2006 04:55 PM writes...

R & B are managing a high profile project which probably requires confidentially agreements. That is standard business practice.

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312. BTownAngel on February 14, 2006 08:29 PM writes...

Clubhouseguy- What do you have for us?

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313. sunnyangel on February 14, 2006 09:11 PM writes...

J godfrey what does Webster say for "confidentiality"? I question your comment - is it based on your personal "gut" or do you actually have a connection to an angel who is "in the know". I think it is your gut. If you are not an angel then perhaps you wouldn't understand this... but all these folks are "risk takers" and very well aware of the risks of such an investment. I don't think there are too many of us that feel the powerball would be a better bet. Happy V-Day all!

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314. FSoles on February 14, 2006 10:38 PM writes...

Godfrey I understand your thinking. Everyone here is living off of what they hope is to come, but there has not been any substance to validate that there really may be something. Deadlines and expectations come and go with no explanation. People get together in this room and try to sort it out. If B reads this blog, we need something to happen when it is supposed to happen and not another excuse. Whenever R and B relay info to someone or group it should be passed down the correct channels so that everyone knows. We should all be on the same page but for some reason we are left here to try to read between the lines and figure it out. I choose to believe in R and B. I hope it is what it is. For the people who are not best friends with R or B and not substantially invested the only thing really known is that there is always a excuse, no informative explanation, just another deadline. Thank you again to all who share info. R and B, bring on the results. Anything to bring back positivity and get rid of the ones who doubt. The negative vibes in this room hurt everyone, everything.

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315. Tiny Angel on February 14, 2006 11:46 PM writes...

Guys and Gals, in an attempt to bring some order to this blog. I think what we have here is a basic lack of communication and a lot misinformation. Correct me if I am wrong but we appear to have two distinct camps here. There are those of us who bought directly through Euclid and others who may have participated through an LLC. My experience is I have never been promised amounts or dates, and have been reasonably informed of what is going on. If you are a member through an LLC it may be possible that your information stream may be contaminated. I do not know how any of you are connected and through what investment vehicle you are participating but this may shed some light on what is disseminated. Your complaints may be better addressed to your LLC rather than R&B. I guess the comments from this point forward may shed some light on to what is actually occuring.

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316. georgiapeachangel on February 15, 2006 12:37 AM writes...

Tiny, I hate to dispute your theory, but I bought directly from Euclid -- first at $2500 and then at $5000 a share. I have been told numerous dates and amounts by B over the years and finally called to speak to R to complain that B's dates and amounts were always wrong. R said there were no specific amounts or dates and would not commit to anything other than that patents were the most important part of the development so that we could protect the intellectual property ED has. Since 2002 there have been at least 5 "sure bet" dates from B and even notices that they were going to NY in a few days and sell what they had. This was before any patents were filed or anything. I finally figured out that B just likes living on the edge and taking risks and will tell you what he thinks you want to hear. I am hopeful that what he has told me recently is correct and on target, but then I have to remember that he's told me or, when my husband was living, told him on numerous occasions that we were near the end and that hasn't happened. This time, I'm hoping that because they have a reputable PR firm and also have been quoted in national press that they were beginning the sales process in January that they are not guilty of putting out false information. I will hang in here as long as there's a thread of hope and I will hold onto my shares until the bitter end in hopes that I'll die a rich old lady (that is if I don't spend it all before I go!!!) I think we all still need to impart what information we do know and give credit to whom and where it is coming from. Don't know if this helps or hinders the situation, but just thought I'd let you know what I've experienced.

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317. tiny angel on February 15, 2006 07:50 AM writes...

Georgia, thank you for your comments. It certainly sheds light on alot of things for me. I must admit it is not really the answer I was expecting or really wanted to hear. Now we all know why we have such diametrically opposed conceptions and stories. Perfect example of the left hand does not know what the right is doing. I know for a fact that they are both reading the blog. Maybe someone needs to put a muzzle on BOB.
In my opinion based on the left hand we are still good to go.

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318. georgiapeachangel on February 15, 2006 08:27 AM writes...

Tiny, I agree with you and believe this is going to happen. I just think we all need to realize that probably at this point we just have to have faith that the product is as good as we've been told it is and that it will be sold in due course. I really don't think R would make statements to national press that he plans to begin the sales process in January if he didn't really mean to do that. If you're a few days or weeks behind schedule, then you probably won't get called on it, but if you're months off schedule, then perhaps there's cause for concern. I'm just going to keep on keeping on and hoping that THIS time, at least B has projected fairly accurate dates. As for amounts, they've been all over the board and frankly at this point, I'd be happy just to get what his original estimate was 4 years ago when he first said it was a go and would sell in a few weeks. I just think he's a little bit of a loose cannon and that's one reason I'm sure he had to go to NY for media training. Maybe they'll put a muzzle on him and let R do most of the talking. As I said, I think he just likes to live on the edge. If you read the article that appeared a couple of years ago about his "good ole boy approach" to signing up investors in Kentucky I think that should give you some idea of how much he likes to hear himself talk! I'm not giving up! I'm in here for the long haul and it HAS been a long haul, but my hopes are that I'll need a dump truck to haul all the money to the bank.

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319. tiny angel on February 15, 2006 10:27 AM writes...

Not too much more to add, but I feel your pain. I have been an angel for a few years and have not heard all the promises that some of you have heard until recently. I know what an emotional yo yo I have been through in the last two months. B says this B says that, man I am surprised alot of you aren't even more angry. I guess some good has come out of this after all, we all know who the blowhard is now. I have heard wild claims in the past two weeks and they always seem to be attributed to B. B we still love you but use the PR firm you are paying all this money to!!! Bye the way Small% confirms what I have heard. Ta Ta for now.

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320. Hopeful Angel on February 15, 2006 11:30 AM writes...

R & B if you DO read this blog, could you at least lend some credibility to the information that is being disseminated here. What has happened to the shareholders newsletter from R that was supposed to keep investors updated. We could sure use some sort of positive feedback at this juncture. After all, if all these angel investors hadn't been angels, you wouldn't have been able to get this company off the ground. We're not asking for details, just a heads up that we are at least headed down the last stretch of this amazing race.

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321. georgiapeachangel on February 15, 2006 11:37 AM writes...

Yes, a word of hope from R to investors would be great right now. We could use another issue of the investor newsletter that seems to have gotten lost in the shuffle. I'm just surprised his PR firm hasn't advised him that investor relations is a top priority. Of course, we aren't publicly traded so maybe they figure that it won't be long until all of us are history when the company IS sold! I just don't understand how all the top advisors they have contracted with can agree that not keeping in touch with investors is a "good thing (to quote Martha Stewart!!!! GAG!!!!!)

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322. tiny angel on February 15, 2006 12:01 PM writes...

I know R is struggling with this issue right now. For many reasons they cannot comment, post or acknowledge this blog. All is good, hopefully something will present itself in the next couple of weeks.sic LOL
PS. They don't need us now!!!!!!

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323. Jeeves on February 15, 2006 01:33 PM writes...

Has anyone else noticed that CRA does not have ED listed as one of it's Representative Clients on their website? Just wondering as to why this is.

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324. Hopeful Angel on February 15, 2006 02:03 PM writes...

I don't think we care if they acknowledge the blog or not -- the blog isn't the issue for us. I think what we'd all like to see is for R to send us an investors' update on just where we are at this point and what their expectations are. We don't have to have exact dates, just something that lets us know a general timeframe (like the end of the second quarter of 2006, for example) and if, indeed, they do have companies who are seriously interested in coming to the table to talk about buying Euclid.

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325. georgiapeachangel on February 15, 2006 02:10 PM writes...

If you go to the Euclid website and click on their affiliates, then click on CRA, you get the CRA home page. You're right that Euclid isn't listed under their client list but they also have a disclaimer that they don't reveal the names of their clients unless the work they have done has been made public, so maybe that's why we aren't there. Although I thought I recalled in one of the articles about Euclid a mention that CRA had been hired to value their claims. Oh well, let's hope this isn't a red flag and just an oversight. I'm nervous enough about this without adding doubts as to whether we're really on board with CRA or not!

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326. FSoles on February 15, 2006 02:54 PM writes...

It will happen and when it does we can kick back and enjoy the stress of what to buy next. Risk big , Win big. I think it is time to bust out with what we have and let the world stare in amazement. Go R and B, Go Euclid!!

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327. kyangel on February 15, 2006 04:01 PM writes...

GP

you read it in angel investors (article above)
so don't be nervous

Validation -- Wingard hired Charles River Associates (now known as CRA International) to validate his claims, and value his claims, before asking for new investments and higher valuations.

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328. ballsofsteel on February 15, 2006 06:02 PM writes...

Has everyone seen the first two patents that came out? Pretty impressive. I've been an investor since 2000 and have invested at different levels. I think it's getting exciting! I also know that B&R are working as hard as possible. As for exact dates and dollar amounts-I've never been promised anything, except a jourey.

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329. ballsofsteel on February 15, 2006 06:03 PM writes...

Has everyone seen the first two patents that came out? Pretty impressive. I've been an investor since 2000 and have invested at different levels. I think it's getting exciting! I also know that B&R are working as hard as possible. As for exact dates and dollar amounts-I've never been promised anything, except a journey.

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330. Anonymous on February 15, 2006 06:19 PM writes...


b o s where can i find patent

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331. sunnyangel on February 15, 2006 07:00 PM writes...

I;m no investment strategist, however I don't think we are technically "shareholders" - there is no "stock". Furthermore, why would R or B need to update us - they already have our money and if they are where they say they are in the process they won't need any more from us. I DO believe in ED and DO believe that have what they say they have. Anonymous, if you truly are an investor you would have been sent copies of those patent filings a while ago. I concur with several of your comments that although only had spoken with B one time,have spoken with R many times. He has never given exact dates or values. I still believe in these guys, and although they have failed miserably in their communications with us I dont' think they are obligated to do so. As a courtesy it sure would be nice though R & B, to throw something our way, if you're reading this. I think that to some extent they feel uncomfortable, or maybe for reasons of confidentiality, to give us info because they know it will end up on this blog - even if it was sent directly to the investors. Maybe they don't want to or aren't allowed to have that happen before things are officially announced to the public. Just a thought. FSoles - I'm with you GO EUCLID!!(but just try to hurry up...)

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332. funny man on February 15, 2006 08:01 PM writes...

just remember powerball is at llpm, better get your tickets suckers...

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333. FSoles on February 15, 2006 10:22 PM writes...

Funnyboy, there is no place for you here. Obviously you are not funny ha ha, so you must be funny the other way. At least your open about it. The negativity needs to leave the site. If you think we are suckers then why are you reading this and responding. Either you are a sucker too or you are jealous that there is no hope for you. Sunnyangel, Thank you for your comments. Go Euclid, Go Suckers, Go somewhere else Funnyboy!
-LOL-

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334. georgiapeachangel on February 16, 2006 08:18 AM writes...

Since nobody won the Powerball last night, I think I'll stick to hoping Euclid pays off! I believe our chances are MUCH better with Euclid than Powerball, so all you risk takers who pay "Stupid Tax" by betting on the lottery, just keep it up! I'm placing my bets on Euclid -- no matter how long it takes. If some of you nay sayers think we're suckers, you have a right to your opinion. But, I think most of us who have been investors in Euclid for a while are willing to wait for the big payoff. And, if you don't have a dog in this fight, frankly, I'd appreciate it if you'd stop using this blog as your personal fire hydrant! I'm in a bad mood today, so don't mess with me!!!!

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335. sunnyangel on February 16, 2006 09:29 AM writes...

Hey Funny Man - guess your powerball didn't pay out for you - huh? too bad...go ahead and buy a crapload of tickets for next week - yeah that's a good investment. La-la-la-la-la! ( Funny Man - that's me singing all the way to the bank)
Sorry you're in a bad mood GPA :( We'll all be smiling soon. Alright-y then, that's a wrap people...

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336. Hopeful Angel on February 16, 2006 12:20 PM writes...

Sorry you're in a bad mood, Georgia Peach, but way to go telling off those people who put in their two cents worth when they don't have any financial interest in Euclid! I think we're all going to be real happy campers when this thing does pay off.

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337. Woodford Reserve Angel on February 16, 2006 02:21 PM writes...

Have put in my two cents worth a few times anonymously and thought I'd just put in a few more words -- this time identifying myself. I talked with R in either late December or early January, can't remember which, but he told me that their plans were to begin the sales process in January as mentioned in several articles and that they hoped to have the company sold by the end of the second quarter of 2006. I know that's not anything a lot different than what's been posted before, but I just thought I'd let you know that R is looking to probably July for this to end and I respect his opinion quite a bit.

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338. FSoles on February 16, 2006 02:43 PM writes...

Woodford Reserve,Thanks for your info. The more people who have heard the same thing, the more likely it is what is really happening. Thanks

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339. tiny angel on February 16, 2006 03:07 PM writes...

Dear Woodford and other angels who are now using names, it makes it much more personal, allows us to understand peoples ideas and comments if and when they post again. I really appreciate your comments and your input. I have fairly regular communication with R and that is exactly what he told me. Not as exciting as some of the things posters have been told by B but, probably alot more realistic. I am just praying that B doesn't dwell in a permanent manic state and has totally overestimated its worth by truly mythical proportions. That being said I am still a true believer in ED even if I have landed back on earth.

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340. georgiapeachangel on February 16, 2006 03:38 PM writes...

Hey, Tiny, I'm with you in hopes that B's astronomical estimate of each share's worth isn't a figment of his imagination but rather a true valuation from CRA. The figures he told me were mind-blowing, but I'd certainly not refuse it if it were to come to pass. I'm also glad that the some of the people who were posting anonymously have decided to choose a name. That does make it a little better for us to associate a name with a post. My money's on R and his wisdom and we'll just hope B will not be so eager to talk that he blows everything out of proportion. I'd love it if his estimates become reality but estimates are only estimates. I'm ready for them to SHOW ME THE MONEY!

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341. Woodford Reserve Angel on February 16, 2006 03:43 PM writes...

I am part of an LLC and we've been told astronomical amounts to -- not directly from B, but attributed to him by a "messenger." Guess I'd better not plan on competing with the Arabs to buy that thoroughbred, huh?

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342. tiny angel on February 16, 2006 04:15 PM writes...

I have seen the CRA report with my own eyes, Pretty impressive if I say so myself. I think you may be able to buy that thoroughbred. Guess we will all have to wait.

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343. tiny angel on February 16, 2006 04:45 PM writes...

Hey guys and gals. This is really off topic. I promise you I have no interest in this site except to pass on what I think was pretty cool. It just came on line last week. I cut and pasted the below from the Wolfgang's Vault website. If you are an older boomer like myself, you probably know who Bill Graham and his concert promotion company was, he produced more than 35,000 concerts all over the world. Two and a half years ago, Bill Sagan spent more than $5 million to buy Graham's treasure trove of rock 'n' roll memorabilia: millions of T-shirts, posters, handbills, photographs, concert tickets and other items from the archives of Bill Graham. Mr. Sagan did not know that the archives contained more than 5,000 live audio and video recordings made between 1966 and 1999. Anyway, you can go to: http://www.wolfgangsvault.com/player/WVplayer01url.htm and listen to these recording commercial free, non stop and at no cost. I know alot of you are from the south, maybe there may be some southern rock also. Enjoy, gives you something to do until your horse comes in.

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344. ballsofsteel on February 16, 2006 05:04 PM writes...

Just a quick update for everybody. If you haven't already downloaded and seen our patent then this is how. 1. go to www.internetiff.com 2. download the 3-day trial version for viewing tiffs 3. go to the US patent office website (there is a link at the internetiff.com webiste) 4. on the left-hand side, you'll see a column for patents-click on search. 5. on the right-hand side you'll see publication number search 6. place our number 20060029253 and it'll bring up ED patent.

For all you nay-sayers: Read it, study it, and try to educate yourselves.
For Euclid Investors: The companies that ED has hired or collaborated w/ are all under confidentiality/non-disclosure agreements! If you didn't get the news from B or R DIRECTLY then let's not put words in these men's mouths.

And just a comment about these two men that are trying to give us a ride of a lifetime:
1. I've never been told exact numbers or dates by either of the two. I've always been told of the possibilities of Euclid, but there are no GUARANTEES-just like this investment.
2. I've seen the CRA report and last I remember-numbers DO NOT lie!
3. When I would sit w/ them, I would never get one complaint on getting bombarded by phone calls from nervous investors.
And lastly, I'd rather them be secretive than blabber everything out to everyone. I'd rather wait an extra couple of months than to regret what should've, could've, or would've done. Everyone is so upset that B is going to NY for the nth time, but I'd rather it be that way than to leave a dime on the table...

And for the skeptics: I don't have any personal relations w/ these men. I am an investor that took a chance. If that makes me stupid, then I must be a "soon-to-be stupid rich man".

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345. sunnyangel on February 16, 2006 05:05 PM writes...

WRA - was told same info from R (who seems to be the more trusted one at this point). So hopefully that is true in regards to second quarter of this year. I know R has gone through alot of stress personally over the development of ED and I think he wants to get this thing done more than anyone. Glad to see you have a name, also, WRA. Tiny, how were you able to nab a peek at the report? I thought they were closely guarding that info - you must be in pretty tight! Anyone else seen the report? I've heard about in very general terms, but not actually seen it. Also, thanks for the distraction Tiny - anyone else have anything cool to do or talk about while we wait for some NEW news? Hope your day is going better now GPA.

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346. sunnyangel on February 16, 2006 05:10 PM writes...

Ballsofssteel - thanks for your input - I concur with all you said and appreciate the patent info.

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347. tiny angel on February 16, 2006 05:18 PM writes...

Sunny, GPA, obviously some of us have wayyyyyy tooooooo much time on our hands, I welcome any distractions. BOS appears to to have seen the "report". Sort of like holding a live grenade. At least I can listen to music while I wait for the next message. LOL Rest of you post something just to keep us entertained.

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349. georgiapeachangel on February 16, 2006 06:32 PM writes...

Just received this in an e-mail from my daughter: If you dad to choose would you rsther go hunting with Dick Cheney or take a drive with Ted Kennedy? Hey, it made ME laugh!

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350. georgiapeachangel on February 16, 2006 06:33 PM writes...

Just received this in an e-mail from my daughter: If you had to choose would you rsther go hunting with Dick Cheney or take a drive with Ted Kennedy? Hey, it made ME laugh!

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351. georgiapeachangel on February 16, 2006 06:37 PM writes...

FYI, if you hit preview to try to correct a misspelled word, it posts it.

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352. sunnyangel on February 16, 2006 08:49 PM writes...

GPA - perhaps according to Tiny we do have too much time on our hands lol- but ya know I worked for years and I think work is way over rated! P.S. I think I would pick Cheney -at least you'd be wearing a protective vest!

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353. tiny angel on February 16, 2006 09:16 PM writes...

Really be in trouble wearing a protective vest with Teddy, make you sink that much quicker. LOL

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354. Anonymous on February 17, 2006 02:19 PM writes...

In an effort to help separate fact from fiction and some additional information, I can provide the following:

• All of the 306 post by small% is factual.

• Post 337 from Woodford Reserve is very close to being on the money.

• Having read the CRA report, post 343 by Tiny Angel is not an overstatement.

• Post 344 from ballsofsteel provides the way to access the 1st published patent in addition to imparting some great advice.

• CRA hasn’t listed Euclid inasmuch as we are a limited liability company, not a public company, and they want to keep us under the radar until the end.

• I have been told that many of the target dates bantered around were in reference to internal target dates that for a variety of reasons were not always reached.

• Information from B&R to investors is only disseminated to unit holders OF RECORD. (read post 315 by Tiny Angel)

• A forthcoming newsletter will help explain the reasons for some of the delays and the rational for the exit strategy THAT HAS BEEN INITIATED.

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355. Jimmy T on February 17, 2006 02:24 PM writes...

The above post that came up "anonymous" is my post. Forgot to add my name prior to submitting.

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356. - on February 17, 2006 03:07 PM writes...

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357. - on February 17, 2006 03:07 PM writes...

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358. georgiapeachangel on February 17, 2006 05:45 PM writes...

Thanks for the info, Jimmy T. That's really a good report. I'm delighted to know that they plan to issue a newsletter. I think one is way overdue and information disseminated to the investors would be most welcome at this juncture.
Y'all have a good weekend!

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359. funny man on February 18, 2006 07:57 PM writes...

like i said powerball tonight, better get your tickets and maybe some scratchoffs.

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360. Fred on February 19, 2006 08:12 PM writes...

Anybody know if the EuclidVision free trial is new to ED's website. I have never noticed it before????

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361. georgiapeachangel on February 20, 2006 01:01 AM writes...

Fred, it's been there a while!

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362. Sherwoodlikemoney on February 20, 2006 06:04 PM writes...

I "sherwood" like for them to sign with the bank before the end of the month! Then the show is on the road!

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363. Strawberrymelon on February 20, 2006 06:12 PM writes...

Does anyone have any updates???

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364. Anonymous on February 20, 2006 10:04 PM writes...

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365. Anonymous on February 21, 2006 10:15 AM writes...

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366. J.Godfrey on February 21, 2006 11:01 AM writes...

Let's see; Getting hit by lighting-Winning the Power Ball-Getting a return from Euclid. Yea, I'm going to stick with Power Ball.

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367. J.Godfrey on February 21, 2006 11:03 AM writes...

Let's see; Getting hit by lighting-Winning the Power Ball-Getting a return from Euclid. Yea, I'm going to stick with Power Ball.

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368. J.Godfrey on February 21, 2006 11:04 AM writes...

Let's see; Getting hit by lighting-Winning the Power Ball-Getting a return from Euclid. Yea, I'm going to stick with Power Ball.

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369. PITBULL on February 21, 2006 11:31 AM writes...

I get the message...

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370. JJJohnson on February 21, 2006 02:46 PM writes...

I think I will skip the 1 in 146,000,000 odds on powerball I think mine are a little better.

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371. Blue Goose on February 21, 2006 05:29 PM writes...

Heard they are actively pursuing more investors.
What's up with that? I thought we were winding down! Anybody know what's going on?

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372. georgiapeachangel on February 21, 2006 06:04 PM writes...

I know I'm not considered an "insider" as far as information goes, but I was under the impression that all the shares had been sold. I did hear that there might be less than 100 shares left that could be sold if necessary, but I didn't really think that was the case. The fact that they might possibly be soliciting more shareholders certainly doesn't sound good to me either. Does anyone know if that is really the case and, if so, WHY they are selling more shares and also, IF they are selling more shares, will the current shareholders be notified and given the opportunity to buy additional shares?

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373. timeless on February 21, 2006 07:02 PM writes...

Hey - Georgia Peach Farmer,
You talk with R. What does he say about selling more shares? Do you have any positive info that a bank HAS BEEN picked, and if so, when will they sign?

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374. JimmyT on February 21, 2006 07:06 PM writes...

Blue Goose, if you are an investor or want to be why don't you consider contacting Euclid and verify what you heard?

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375. Blue Goose on February 21, 2006 07:24 PM writes...

Already an investor - Don't know who can give me FACTS! - just would like to verify if we are still selling units - WHY? I thought we were ready to sell.

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376. kyangel on February 21, 2006 08:43 PM writes...

Jimmy T are there anymore units

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377. georgiapeachangel on February 21, 2006 08:57 PM writes...

Now would be an excellent time for Euclid to send a letter to its investors to let us know what is going on. I think rumors have run rampant and tales of wealth as well as gloom and doom are in the air. It would be great if we'd get a word from R or B about what is actually happening.

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378. Hopeful Angel on February 21, 2006 10:26 PM writes...

Well, here we go again.....just more doubts being added as different people are told different things. It would be SO nice if R or B would send an investors' newsletter with an advisory on what is happening. I swear, this roller coaster ride is starting to upset my stomach! When WILL we know what is happening with our investment?

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379. Strawberrymelon on February 21, 2006 10:50 PM writes...

Does anyone know why eucliddiscoveries.com homepage is not available?? Do you think everyone in the office has gone shopping??

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380. Woodford Reserve Angel on February 22, 2006 01:16 AM writes...

It is rather disconcerting to think that Euclid might find itself in the position that it becomes necessary to sell additional shares. I too was under the impression that the number of shares were limited to 8000 units and that most of those were sold. If they're looking for additional buyers at this point that sends up a red flag to me that they're out of money for operating funds and that doesn't bode well for any of us. Let's hope that if that is the case they have the decency to notify those of us who have hung in there, either individually or as members of an LLC, that the sale of additional units is necessary. We've heard nothing from Euclid since December, so it's time they told their investors something -- either the good news or the bad.

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381. Blue Goose on February 22, 2006 06:48 AM writes...

WRA, my thoughts exactly. Sends up a lot of red flags and unanswered questions. We need up to the minute FACTS about what is going on. I find myself with more concern than I've had in a while. I just don't like the sound of it.

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382. sunnyangel on February 22, 2006 09:49 AM writes...

Blue Goose - Where did you "hear that they are selling more units"? I'm tired of people on this blog throwing out info without any info as to their resources. You've got everyone upset over this. I have heard nothing regarding the sale of additional units. But even if they were, that is their perogative. I'm sure the costs of trying to sell this thing are astronomical - and although I don't believe they are selling additional units at this time, if they were it really wouldn't dilute your profits. I small percentage of a really big number is still a big number. Everybody just needs to chill out, once again. As far as providing you with up-to-the-minute facts - not gonna happen - if you've been following this blog at all. B & R are very busy trying to get this thing done and though we would all like to hear more from them, at least R has always taken time to talk on the phone whenever we have called him and he has graciously answered all our questions to this best of his knowledge and ability.Give hime a call BG if you want FACTS. Whenever they don't know how to proceed with something they make sure they hire the right people who DO know how to get it done. Believe me when I tell you that R wants this thing done more than you or I do. They are doing everything they can and we need to just lay off of them and quit throwing out comments stemming from our anxiety and frustration to get this thing done. It will be done and soon.

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383. georgiapeachangel on February 22, 2006 09:50 AM writes...

The latest news on the blog certainly didn't help my insomnia last night! Let's hope somebody can get through to either R or B and find out what's going on! We need to determine if the information about selling more shares is truth or fiction.

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384. Interested Angel on February 22, 2006 11:04 AM writes...

I keep hearing that R & B may be reading our comments, if so, my plea is that B come back and meet with us like he was doing on a fairly regular basis. I agree that we need some accurate updates to minimize the many speculations and assumptions that I am seeing here.

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385. tiny angle on February 22, 2006 12:32 PM writes...

everybody relax, the 8000 units are all sold, they may need to sell a few more units to get through the next part. the units will be 12K and even if they sold 80 which will raise another million. It is less than 1% or will cost investors less than 10K on a million. I know this is what is happening thought it is not official from ED. They have a very low burn rate and this will last them another year which willl never be needed or take thaT LONG. kIP THE FAILTH

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386. sunnyangel on February 22, 2006 12:52 PM writes...

glad to see ya back Tiny - we need you to keep some of these people on this blog from going wacko! People, as Tiny states, selling a few more units is still going to make us all rich - don't get greedy - look at what the return rate is gonna be on your investment - regardless of the amount it was. Sleep well GPA.

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387. Jimmy T on February 22, 2006 01:17 PM writes...

Just was on the Euclid web site. I believe they have been having some difficulties with their internet service provider.

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388. Blue Goose on February 22, 2006 02:09 PM writes...

Sounds like my information is confirmed by Tiny Angel/Angle (refer to 385).

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389. FSoles on February 22, 2006 02:14 PM writes...

I don't understand that if it is finished and into the sale process why is there a push to raise more money. Who is getting the opprotunity to buy these late, but needed shares? Tiny, thank you for your comments, but I think it is time for R and B to tell some of what is going on. I'm tired of the blog keeping me informed. Thanks to the blog. It is such poor business to not keep the who are funding you up to date with facts and deadlines that are real. I am a good ol boy, and my approach is that I have already chucked my money up as gone. That's fine, at least give me some quality info. To have to sale more shares without having a bank, without any news, without anything except to get through the next part is a HUGE red flag. What is the next part? I have very little hope left. I hope the sun is not setting on us.

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390. long timer on February 22, 2006 02:14 PM writes...

tiny is right ..... now, just wait for the national media releases which should be in early March after the press release ... that tells what we really have

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391. FSoles on February 22, 2006 02:16 PM writes...

I don't understand that if it is finished and into the sale process why is there a push to raise more money. Who is getting the opprotunity to buy these late, but needed shares? Tiny, thank you for your comments, but I think it is time for R and B to tell some of what is going on. I'm tired of the blog keeping me informed. Thanks to the blog. It is such poor business to not keep the ones who are funding you up to date with facts and deadlines that are real. I am a good ol boy, and my approach is that I have already chucked my money up as gone. That's fine, at least give me some quality info. To have to sale more shares without having a bank, without any news, without anything except to get through the next part is a HUGE red flag. What is the next part? I have very little hope left. I hope the sun is not setting on us.

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392. jrjohnson on February 22, 2006 02:54 PM writes...

I may be wrong, but isnt this the part where the investment bankers step in and front the money for the sales porcess and take a percentage of the proceeds from the sale? This is how investment banking usually works, so why is more money needed? I can only imagine what type of salaries that these guys are drawing from the investments that we have all made.

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393. kyangel on February 22, 2006 04:45 PM writes...

OK Jimmy T time to jump in here and settle everyone down. I also heard that CRA was going to handle sale and bank would only hold money after sale anybody else heard this

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394. ballsofsteel on February 23, 2006 02:16 AM writes...

Alright...Everyone really NEEDS to calm down! B is in Concord preparing the last and final PPP(Power Point Presentation) for Euclid's partnership with the banks, lawyers, and analysts. B is also working on an investment newsletter and will be mailed next week.

* To answer everyone's question regarding the units, please refer to tiny's comments. Although ED has a very low burn-rate compared to other small companies, it still has a burn rate. Even if units were sold, the current investor's profits would not be effected since there has always been a small reserve left for the final sale process.
* For jrjohnson's question: A bank isn't fronting us the money, because we haven't signed a bank yet. There are powerful banks that are very interested in taking ED as their client. But B&R are crossing all of their Ts and dotting their Is with the lawyers before signing a bank. You wouldn't want to know that your profits will be less because B&R decided to give a greater percentage to the banks, would you?(Another reason why B&R are sitting down and finalizing their PPP so that the banks don't have to write it for them).
* For "Intersted Angel": B&R can't meet with investors these days, since their days are packed with conferences with the lawyers, Marketing team, the Tech team and investor's phone calls. They would also have nothing to say to the investors at this point-in-time since they are not allowed to devulge ANY information on how things are going. As much as I would like to have them hold a meeting, their hands are tied. We just have to realize that they are moving forward!
*For BlueGloose, if you want up to the minute updates by these two men...Well that just sends up a bigger RED flag for me since that means that they're not doing anything and they have enough time to answer more than 70 or so phonecalls a day for each investor! Now, I don't think that would be a good way to spend our investment...would you?

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395. FSoles on February 23, 2006 06:39 AM writes...

Thank you BOS, but I think I will only feel better when something concrete happens. Thanks Again for your info.

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396. Jimmy T on February 23, 2006 09:10 AM writes...

KY ANGEL --- BALLSOFSTEEL’S information and advice is as good and current as it gets. Great job BOS. It is my observation that in spite of a number of entries that are essentially consistent, positive and confirm one another, some folks are always going to believe what they want to and get exercised over the latest questionable bit of news. Some see the glass half empty, while most of us see it getting fuller.

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397. jr on February 23, 2006 09:33 AM writes...

A powerpoint presentation? It has now come down to a powerpoint presentation? I am not sure if most of you are retired or not but PP isnt the most up to date tech.,these guys are using powerpoint presentations to sell this? MS live meeting, placeware sessions, these allow you to present technology in a format that actually lets you interface with the working systems and for the audience to actually see it in action and not just on slides with stick figures and bullet points and screen shots. Are you sure Power Point? Will we get a slide show too?

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398. JimmyT on February 23, 2006 10:28 AM writes...

JR – Euclid’s demo is done via laptops, showing the REAL TIME comparative difference between existing standard MPEG4 compatible media players such as MS Windows Media Player, Real Networks Player, etc. The technology seamlessly integrates into their software showing a side-by-side comparison of the monumental difference Euclid’s technology makes. I seriously doubt that it would be done off-site in order to insure security of the software.

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399. tiny angel on February 23, 2006 10:52 AM writes...

great work guys, that is been the best blog info since we started this share wear group. Alot of people on the same page with useful and probably pretty accurate info. I think we are in great shape and getting more excited with each passing day.

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400. AZangel on February 23, 2006 12:19 PM writes...

Thanx BOS! Great report! Hey Sunny, traveling in So Cal today with my rep! Hopefully in the next 6 mos, I can "bag" this gig and hang around with you everyday! Everyone, keep the faith!!!!!!!

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401. MyDixieWrecked on February 23, 2006 10:12 PM writes...

JR,
Not to be rude but that may have been the dumbest comment of the blog yet (post 397). Who cares if the presentation is in Power Point or not. I’ll sell you my shares for $600,000 each (plus tax). I am assuming you are involved in an LLC by your comments so I am sure someone will happily buy your 1/18th of one share.

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402. sunnyangel on February 24, 2006 02:00 AM writes...

Hey AZ - can't wait!! Miss you! (Hopefully b4 6 months!) Great comment BOS. Hey GPA - where did you go? R U sleeping better?

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403. georgiapeachangel on February 24, 2006 09:17 AM writes...

Hi Sunny. Thanks for even thinking of me! Yes, I guess the news on the blog is good. I'm just going to assume that BOS and JT know what they're talking about and try to relax. I'm getting ready to go to Greece for a month, so I'm hoping I'll have good news when I return. I'm also hoping my laptop works abroad. If not, I guess I"ll be visiting a lot of Internet Cafes to check the blog. My flight leaves at 2:45 p.m. so gotta go make sure I have everything packed! Adio!!!!

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404. sunnyangel on February 24, 2006 10:55 AM writes...

Wow GPA - have a great trip! Hope we'll hear from you.

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405. NHall on February 24, 2006 10:33 PM writes...

Just had dinner with some "angels". Everyone seems positive. Good luck guys, wish I was on the train. It seems to have been a fun ride, regardless of the outcome. If you hit it big...just remember your friends.

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406. MrMan on February 24, 2006 11:34 PM writes...

Now hearing June-Aug when we will get some money.

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407. Anonymous on February 25, 2006 12:34 PM writes...

Kalispera (good evening) to you from Athens (Greece, not Georgia!) The laptop works so I can keep up with what's going on in the USA! Will go to Mykonos on Monday for a week and then island-hop each week until we've seen all the Greek islands. My daughter and grandchildren are with me and I'm loving every minute of it. Now if good ol' Euclid will just come through for me, I can do this on a permanent basis! Right now, my favorite Greek question is: "Poso kani?" (How much does it cost?!!!!) Catch up you in a week or so! Γειά σου (Goodbye to you!)

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408. georgiapeachangel on February 25, 2006 12:48 PM writes...

Yasou! (Hello to you) from Athens (Greece, not Georgia!)The laptop works here! My daughter, grandchildren and I are having a ball and will move to Mykonos on Monday, then island hop each week until April 2. My favorite question here is? Poso kani? (How much does it cost?) If Euclid comes through then maybe I can do this on a permanent basis!!! Catch up with y'all in a week or so!)Adio!

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409. sunnyangel on February 26, 2006 01:25 PM writes...

GPA- not only will you be able to travel on a "permanent"basis you won't have to be asking Poso Kani? anymore! Have fun! Mr.Man - where did you get your info?

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410. Mr. Man on February 26, 2006 09:53 PM writes...

B.....friend.....me.

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411. hopeful angel on February 27, 2006 10:11 AM writes...

Well,is it June-August or not?

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412. Mr Man on February 27, 2006 10:52 AM writes...

June - Aug is what he said. Hard to believe the date has been moved up..........AGAIN. (sarcasm)

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413. Hopeful Angel on February 27, 2006 03:43 PM writes...

That's the only thing about talking to B -- you get a new date each time you talk to him -- and always a good excuse for the delay! Just wonder if the dates will ever be realistic.

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414. Oliver Kloseoff on February 27, 2006 04:37 PM writes...

since we be talkin about vacations on here now...just wanted to let y'all know I am going to Uranus. picture me rollin'

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415. Anonymous on February 27, 2006 05:17 PM writes...

JT P354 WHEN IS THAT LETTER COMING, ? THIS YEAR?

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416. Hopeful Angel on February 27, 2006 11:52 PM writes...

Looks like we have a young frat man on our blog who likes to use sophomoric names and expressions that are less than funny! Oliver, why don't you go back to the frat house and dunk your head in a vat of beer!

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417. angelstone on March 2, 2006 02:27 PM writes...

Does anybody really have an idea of when the bank will be selected and how long after the sale will it take for Euclid to go big as in the media or magaazines

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418. Hopeful Angel on March 2, 2006 02:42 PM writes...

Something has happened to the blog. A whole bunch of posts are missing! Hey, Tiny, when was the newsletter supposed to be sent? I haven't received anything yet.

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419. Hopeful Angel on March 2, 2006 03:03 PM writes...

Does anybody know what happened to the posts from Tiny, BOS and Jimmy T? Is it just me or have we lost some posts on the blog?

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420. Hopeful Angel on March 2, 2006 03:05 PM writes...

Should have read the LATEST posts from Tiny, BOS. Jimmy T and even GPA and Sunny....those from the past couple of days are missing when I access the blog.

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421. Tiny angel on March 2, 2006 03:38 PM writes...

Probably just as well, those posts were not something I want to remember. I received my newsletter today, you will recieve yours soon. I have to take a leave of absence for awhile, time to go silent. We are in good hands and feel confident that this is a great opportunity. I want to personally aplogize to B, somehow my comments got blown out of proportion and did not convey the message I was trying to make. I am fully aware that without Bob there would be no Euclid. So thank-you in advance for all you hard work, time and consideration. My sincere aplogies and best wishes for all of our futures. Best Regards, Tiny Angel

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422. KyBlue on March 2, 2006 04:03 PM writes...

Sorry for being away but I can no longer access conversations without loging comment.

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423. sunnyangel on March 2, 2006 07:49 PM writes...

"BLOGMASTER"(Tiny) where are you going? We need you. Hope you're not gone long. Haven't received newsletter yet - hoping to get it tomorrow or Saturday. Hopeful Angel - yes, last couple days worth of comments are missing- wonder why?

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